Relics are too easy to get

[coffeerox]

There is an incredible amount wrong with this post. First and most importantly level 3 limit is not required, first time I did Titan we ran three healers and still had plenty of dps with a level 1 limit. Secondly, use wasd and your mouse and you don't have to "move your hand" at any point while fighting. I hope this was just a troll post because if not..yeah.

First of all, I am talking about a general situation which does not involve or factor specialized groups such as pre-made or FC. When balancing the game, you have to consider all parties involved, or to put it simply, the whole, the bigger picture. That also means that you have to balance for duty finder as well. The changes I proposed makes it accessible the way it should be. All content should not be locked to only FC or pre-made groups and it is this concept that has made World of Warcraft so successful. It's that way for a reason.

[Subucnimorning]

First of all, I am talking about a general situation which does not involve or factor specialized groups such as pre-made or FC. When balancing the game, you have to consider all parties involved, or to put it simply, the whole, the bigger picture. That also means that you have to balance for duty finder as well. The changes I proposed makes it accessible the way it should be. All content should not be locked to only FC or pre-made groups and it is this concept that has made World of Warcraft so successful. It's that way for a reason.

Actually my first few runs at Titan were pug groups that were wiping post heart using lb1. So, no I don't think you have a valid point. It is obviously doable by much more than just premade groups. The only thing I would agree with is to adjust the DF to not use two tanks for the fight.

[coffeerox]

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You are welcome to your opinions however I find that most of the time (and I am involved heavily in balance discussions) that people have tunnel vision mindset and that most of the time, people go off of anecdotal evidence rather than considering the fine details and the entirety of the issue.

Just because you or a group of people you run with can do it, doesn't mean other people can. if that's the case, then everyone would have Titan down by now. But people don't. There's entire threads this very minute about how frustrated people are. Just because your first few runs did it using lb1 doesn't mean other groups can do that. It changes on a group by group basis because people are not similarly geared. That's part of the reason why I recommended an average ilvl check before entering the dungeon.

[NovaLevossida]

Actually my first few runs at Titan were pug groups that were wiping post heart using lb1. So, no I don't think you have a valid point. It is obviously doable by much more than just premade groups. The only thing I would agree with is to adjust the DF to not use two tanks for the fight.

Actually, I would change the fight to encourage taking a second tank. Instead of just DPSing the heart, make Titan rip out his heart, throw it on the ground, and watch a clone spawn from it that hits way too hard for a single tank to tank both or for a DPS to tank the clone. Additionally, up the damage on Mountain Buster / Table Flip but have it be able to be split between two tanks, and reduce Titan's overall HP a little bit.

The main problem with the fight is that it encourages taking only one tank, and that creates a problem for tanks trying to clear it by allowing only half as many tanks to get through it, and often times a group looking for members will just use a tank who has already done the fight before. The content should be rebalanced to accommodate bringing the same number of each class through the content as every other content usually does: 2 tanks, 2 healers, 4 DPS. There's no reason for this fight to create a bottleneck for tanks.

[coffeerox]

Actually, I would change the fight to encourage taking a second tank.

Completely agreed. It's a huge design flaw and I'm surprised that they missed that but yet the Hydra fight took this into account (which wasn't even on the DF and a lot easier)

They could implement the scenario you wrote about or they could have some sort of debuff where MT and OT would bounce aggro off to each other. There was a fight in WOTLK that had this mechanic (Gormok, Trial of the Crusader)