i kinda wished sword and shield oaths...

[Shuon]

1. cost lesser mp, and
2. do not interrupt combos

so they could become more situational i.e. if im pulling a pack of 3 or 4 mobs, i would have shield oath up, and upon sleep/when they are down to 2 mobs I could switch swod oath back on to increase damage.

[Tanaya]

Would be even better if Sword Oath/Shield Oath was off the GCD.

But that'd make Paladin too cool.

[Paikis]

I think that's done to stop you from using it as a 20% damage reduction for a single big attack and then immediately swapping back for the smaller attacks. Defiance doesn't cost mana, but it does have a decently long cooldown, and you cannot turn it off while that timer is cycling.

[dark494]

Bigger problem: On raise you don't have enough MP to put either back on. This is a problem in something like HM Titan where a MB might outright kill you, but the healers are fast enough to get you back up with a quick-cast raise, but you're left without shield oath and unable to recast it, then it's highly likely you're going to die again shortly.

[Remn]

MP potion my friend, I alway got some on myself for those situation.

[dark494]

MP potion my friend, I alway got some on myself for those situation.

There doesn't exist an mp potion that can heal enough mp on a pld to make you able to recast shield oath because they heal based on % of your max mp, and our pool isn't that high.

[NovaLevossida]

Tanking stances leave something to be desired on both tanks. As mentioned, PLD can't immediately go into a tank stance without waiting on MP or burning an MP item (if it's enough..). A WAR can't go into tank stance without "losing" the bonus HP from the tank stance (he starts off at 75% of his Defiance HP since the HP boost won't heal him). I think Defiance could just have it so that the % of your current HP compared to max HP would be applied to the amount of HP you heal up through Defiance when switching (ie, WAR at half HP when hitting Defiance would raise max HP by 25% and boost current HP by 12.5%). PLD is a bit trickier to balance, but honestly, I don't see much reason for the MP cost attribute of the stances. Either get rid of that, or just make it a set cost of "a maximum of X MP, and anything below that will be lost." IE, if it costs 200 MP to switch to Shield Oath, if the PLD has 500 MP he will lose 200 MP, and if he only has 50 MP he will lose 50 MP.

[Kal-El]

It would be great to have all this but the reason they put these in place is to stop making us OP.

But you can switch between Oaths pretty easily if you utilise riot blade combo.

[Brannigan]

It'd be cool if Shield Oath was just the "default state" when using the paladin job crystal and Sword Oath just deactivated it and added the Sword Oath effects. It'd free up level 40 for a different ability.

[dark494]

It would be great to have all this but the reason they put these in place is to stop making us OP.

But you can switch between Oaths pretty easily if you utilise riot blade combo.

There's not enough time. On raise the usual actions are Provoke > enmity generating tools to get hate back > defense buffs. Using riot blade sacrifices stability of hate which you're frantically trying to get back.