DPS Parser - ToS Violation?

[Facespasm]

Ah, the joy of reading ignorant peoples replies in ignorant threads.

Yes, a parser IS a datamining tool in the sense that it gathers information through a text based file and so on. It retrieves information i.e mining.

The parser IS a 3rd party software that DOES go against the EULA/TOS.

The USE of such a software is at YOUR own risk.

That been said, people can be asshats even without addons.

[Mang]

Ah, the joy of reading ignorant peoples replies in ignorant threads.

Yes, a parser IS a datamining tool in the sense that it gathers information through a text based file and so on. It retrieves information i.e mining.

The parser IS a 3rd party software that DOES go against the EULA/TOS.

The USE of such a software is at YOUR own risk.

That been said, people can be asshats even without addons.

If it's parsing a log, it's not against ToS because the log is auto generating outside the executable program.

[darkvision]

If it's parsing a log, it's not against ToS because the log is auto generating outside the executable program.

actually majority parsers will mine the data from the game memory as the txt log files are not that reliable for parsers as they are slow at updating. thus violating the ToS.

Parsers are not even accurate to DPS output at all since it cannot see DoT damage etc so overall the people using parsers and calling people out for not being the best DD in the group are in the wrong. Also parses cannot parse skill at all so overall they are the fault for the unnecessary asses using them and abusing others for no reason coz some inaccurate parser is saying a person is not as good as another DD in the group

[choke]

actually majority parsers will mine the data from the game memory as the txt log files are not that reliable for parsers as they are slow at updating. thus violating the ToS.

Parsers are not even accurate to DPS output at all since it cannot see DoT damage etc so overall the people using parsers and calling people out for not being the best DD in the group are in the wrong. Also parses cannot parse skill at all so overall they are the fault for the unnecessary asses using them and abusing others for no reason coz some inaccurate parser is saying a person is not as good as another DD in the group

How many times does this need to be said?? Yes, some "asses" will use a tool like this to "call out" bad players, however such players will be "asses" with or without a dps meter.

You are correct that dots are not currently handled properly because of the ffxiv client not tracking dots properly, however when you're comparing your own dps on different occasions on the same fight the dots issue becomes insignificant when determining if your dps improved.

You did mention that meters cannot parse skill, while you're somewhat correct, you're also quite wrong. No, you can't get a perfect indicator of skill through combat logs but a skilled (dps) player in an mmo can be generally defined by who can outdps the other players while taking the least amount of damage. Parsers determine both damage dealt and damage taken quite well. So while not a perfect picture of how "skilled" a player is, it's a pretty good indicator.

[darkvision]

You did mention that meters cannot parse skill, while you're somewhat correct, you're also quite wrong. No, you can't get a perfect indicator of skill through combat logs but a skilled (dps) player in an mmo can be generally defined by who can outdps the other players while taking the least amount of damage. Parsers determine both damage dealt and damage taken quite well. So while not a perfect picture of how "skilled" a player is, it's a pretty good indicator.

but can a parser tell you if:-

• people are standing in the right positions?
• causing wipes?
• dying for no reason?
• dealing with adds alone while rest of the other DD care too much about their DPS on the boss (not doing thier job properly)?
• facing mobs the right way (again a positioning thing)?
• using skills properly?
• communicating with the group about relevant information?
• plays intelligently?
• reacts to the situation?
• person spams the limit break?
• suffered from a lag spike?
• running into AoE fields?
• a person has more knowledge/experience than others?

the answer is NO

there is way too much a parser cannot tell you relating to skill. Skill is not just determined by how much you can DD and how less damage you can take. if that was the case then PLDs and WARs make the worst skill ever. all a parser can tell you is a person knows how to mash the buttons in the correct order etc

[ZohnoReecho]

but can a parser tell you if:-

• people are standing in the right positions?
• causing wipes?
• dying for no reason?
• dealing with adds alone while rest of the other DD care too much about their DPS on the boss (not doing thier job properly)?
• facing mobs the right way (again a positioning thing)?
• using skills properly?
• communicating with the group about relevant information?
• plays intelligently?
• reacts to the situation?
• person spams the limit break?
• suffered from a lag spike?
• running into AoE fields?
• a person has more knowledge/experience than others?

the answer is NO

there is way too much a parser cannot tell you relating to skill. Skill is not just determined by how much you can DD and how less damage you can take. if that was the case then PLDs and WARs make the worst skill ever. all a parser can tell you is a person knows how to mash the buttons in the correct order etc

For all the rest, there are parsers.

[Zarkhov]

I tried to answer these for you(In bold). Hope this helps ^-^

but can a parser tell you if:-

• people are standing in the right positions? Answer: Sometimes you can determine by observing the Damage Taken and what ability hit said person standing in the wrong position, however this isn't the case most of the time. So no it can only tell you sometimes.
• causing wipes? Yes - By viewing Damage Taken you can easily determine what happened. Or if during a burn phase you can determine if someones DPS is too low.
• dying for no reason? yes - Damage Taken then review said ability that hit said person.
• dealing with adds alone while rest of the other DD care too much about their DPS on the boss (not doing thier job properly)? No, however the raid leader should obviously know.
• facing mobs the right way (again a positioning thing)? Yes, other people will take damage which will show up on damage taken where they shouldn't be.
• using skills properly? Depends what you are looking at I suppose.
• communicating with the group about relevant information? No
• plays intelligently? Yes - Intelligent player will sustain decent dps or healing throughout the fight and also avoid taking damage. Keep in mind, raid leader must determine other factors such as bard casting mana song or BLM having to move etc...
• reacts to the situation? Yes
• person spams the limit break? Yes however I am not 100% familiar with the FF parser being used. Though this is something the RL should take into account when observing the parser.
• suffered from a lag spike? no
• running into AoE fields? Yes - Said person will have much higher Damage Taken than others.
• a person has more knowledge/experience than others? No

the answer is not quite NO

there is way too much a parser can tell you relating to skill. Skill is not just determined by how much you can DD and how less damage you can take. if that was the case then PLDs and WARs make the worst skill ever. all a parser can tell you is a person knows how to mash the buttons in the correct order etc - you are wrong here. A parser can enlighten you on numerous things about said person be it how well they can move yet still sustain decent DPS or how much they may fail at move out of AOE and much much more. Keep in mind however a parser should not be used in a pug 4m light party setting as it is not necessary except for personal improvement.