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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandaria View Post
    I can't say I find macros like this useful at all. Mouse over healing (at least for me) is highly inefficient
    0 chance your method is more effective. Because you can mouseover party frames.

    For example I can have tank 1 targeted. Cast physick (using my keyboard <t> button>, then instantly lustrate tank 2 with my <mo> button, and then immediately do another physick on tank 1.

    The delay from moving your mouse from each person, and clicking them makes it automatically slower.

    Now if your talking about on GCD abilities only, it is far less noticeable, however it still lets you make decisions milliseconds faster then any other method even if they are performed optimally, for example for cleansing.

    I know its all doable with either method, so it really doesn't matter, but claiming your method is more efficient is naive.
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    I actually didn't claim it to be overly more efficient, I said it was more efficient for me. I've tried both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandaria View Post
    I actually didn't claim it to be overly more efficient, I said it was more efficient for me. I've tried both ways.
    Then you're doing something wrong. There's no way in hell that sorting through people or manually targeting people (whether via a button or clicking their frames) will ever be more efficient than mousing over and pushing a button.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper View Post
    Then you're doing something wrong. There's no way in hell that sorting through people or manually targeting people (whether via a button or clicking their frames) will ever be more efficient than mousing over and pushing a button.
    And moving the mouse and pressing the button will never be as fast as just pushing two buttons. If you want to be at maximum efficiency you might just do sth wrong. The one you claimed said it is best for him/her. And if you cant react faster to make a 1-8 desicion than you can move the mouse over an emty frame than mouseover may be the most efficient for you. On paper most efficient would be to play with both hands on the keyboard binding spells to speciffic targets multiple times. But that takes such a high level of coordination (moving with both hands) that other systems are more efficient for most ppl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinaloa View Post
    And moving the mouse and pressing the button will never be as fast as just pushing two buttons. If you want to be at maximum efficiency you might just do sth wrong. The one you claimed said it is best for him/her. And if you cant react faster to make a 1-8 desicion than you can move the mouse over an emty frame than mouseover may be the most efficient for you. On paper most efficient would be to play with both hands on the keyboard binding spells to speciffic targets multiple times. But that takes such a high level of coordination (moving with both hands) that other systems are more efficient for most ppl.
    That would be incredibly inefficient.

    I mean, unless by "efficient" you mean "really awesomely standing in every possible ground effect because you wouldn't be able to move fast enough with both hands on your keyboard."

    I mean, unless we're getting into keyboard-turning territory.
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    This discussion is on hold til we see how the 24-person raid frames work for crystal/etc.. (wish I could see some sort of preview)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper View Post
    That would be incredibly inefficient.

    I mean, unless by "efficient" you mean "really awesomely standing in every possible ground effect because you wouldn't be able to move fast enough with both hands on your keyboard."

    I mean, unless we're getting into keyboard-turning territory.
    I agree it would be inefficient for you and I admit it is inefficient for me. But with 6 fingers designated for movement and you could move far more accurate than with mouse/keyboard. Again its utopic to be at that level of coordination. Just showing up that your best system is Top 3 at max.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper View Post
    That would be incredibly inefficient.

    I mean, unless by "efficient" you mean "really awesomely standing in every possible ground effect because you wouldn't be able to move fast enough with both hands on your keyboard."

    I mean, unless we're getting into keyboard-turning territory.
    Actually, I never get hit by aoe circles thank you very much. I'm sorry that my comment has caused so much controversy, different people have different skill sets. Not using mouse over is more efficient for ME, it's not for everyone, but I learned from FFXI, and that means that I can work faster pressing one of the F keys (which is right next to the number keys to cast my spells) to select a target that I will automatically know by position without having to look, or move my hand to heal than I will fiddling with the mouse and hoping that I move it to the right box in the same time that I could just hit two buttons. This is efficient FOR ME, not for everyone. If you learned how to type using the home keys, you'll be slower hunting and pecking and if you learned how to type hunting and pecking, the home keys will be inefficient FOR YOU.
    You can't jump down and feel everyone has to conform to only one way or one style of playing, if it was only efficient in one way, why have so many ways to actually select your target? It's for the efficiency of the individual. That's why.
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    I don't use either, I use shift 1-4 for party members 1-4 and ctrl 1-4 for 5-8, I also set a focus on the main tank, and my snap to focus is shift + spacebar. I probably won't need to use mouse overs until the 24+ mans come around. I only use macro's for my damage dealing stuff like virus and dots.
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    I can see me possibly doing mouse over for the 24 man stuff, I just find it redundant at the moment right now when my fingers are so close to all of the F keys I'll need. We'll see how targeting works for these bigger events and see how I can manage. Maybe everyone will be separated into squads or something?
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