Lets Discuss Crystal Tower, and ilvl80 Gear.

[Elonareverof]

I am worried folks, I honestly am and this post is trying convey those feelings to a lot of people that may not understand a problem that I haven't encountered yet in end-game.

This issue I have can be seen in this statement "Crystal Tower is to bridge the gear gap from AK/CM/Primals to Coil." Simple enough right, and I hope were all on the same page here.

Many of you will read that and agree with that quote, but I ask why? And lets talk about that.

From here on, my logic is based around this thinking "8 man content should lead into 24 man content, not the reverse and especially not now."

Personally, and for many raiding groups, Coil's turn 1 and 2 can be done within an hour or two. Coil turn 3 can be run past and turn 4 is nearing completion or done. That is a lot of ilvl90 gear dropping for 8 people, not to mention the weekly myths(soon to be increased) giving us AF2 gear. So turn 5 is the last remaining hurdle and then, Coil is done(on farm).

[Elonareverof]

So, why exactly are we getting a 24 man raid to gear ourselves towards an 8man that was absolutely difficult the first two weeks, and then manageable 1 week later?

How much content is being introduced solely as a bridge to clear 1 boss out of 4 in an 8 man instance? And what incentive is there to run Crystal Tower once groups are ilvl90'd out?
I suppose you could use multiple class gearing as a scapegoat to answer that question, citing that running coil with alt jobs would be difficult and ilvl80 could serve as a stand in for secondary jobs?

But is no one else wondering why the order of raiding content has been reversed? And I'm left hoping that Crystal Tower dedicates segments of itself to being a higher difficulty or gear level than Coil. I'm stuck wondering why Crystal Tower didn't come first, with Coil being a larger, more fleshed out 24 man raid because it seems that the flow of progression is negating any reason for Crystal to even be released.

[Obysuca]

I'm stuck wondering why Crystal Tower didn't come first, with Coil being a larger, more fleshed out 24 man raid because it seems that the flow of progression is negating any reason for Crystal to even be released.

Maybe they're adjusting it to that, I remember them saying something how CT was pushed back to be adjusted because it was too hard, but with how people are doing Coil easily now, they might adjust it to be harder, but haven't seen any word on it since it being pushed back. And if it is easier than Coil, maybe it's meant for casual people, considering its on the DF, which is going to work horribly for 24 people lol Since I'm talking about CT, I just hope they don't pull that bs with "1 chest with 1 item per boss for 24 people" thing they do on everything. 1 chest with maybe 6 items would be more reasonable for a pt that size, but you know SE lol

[NotoriousZow]

I am sure they will release alliance type raids that go beyond Coil at some point. Different people play at different speeds, and I know a lot of people who haven't even gotten to Titan yet. SE needs to stick with the plan of adding content for EVERY type of player and not just for one crowd. I am excited for Crystal Tower.

[Alhanelem]

I think you can expect coil part 2 to be lv 100 items, then CT part 2 to be lv95.

CT is endgame made for the masses, while Coil is endgame meant for the hardcore. I think the goal is pretty simple.

The number of players involved does not necessarily have to directly coorelate to difficulty. It's totally acceptible to have harder 8 man content than 24 man content. In fact, it makes sense, because it's harder to coordnate 24 people than 8.

[silentwindfr]

more people means less challenging content, the only challenge in big raid is make sure everybody follow the strategy, less people means they can make content more hard.

the time of the big raid of trillion of people is over... people want to face challenge that recquire everybody to play at the tops... in raid of 24 is not possible. do you imagine how it will be hard to tune a raid for 24 people that need to be to the top?

[Obysuca]

do you imagine how it will be hard to tune a raid for 24 people that need to be to the top?

I don't have to imagine, I've already seen people of 8 playing at their worst lol 24 is going to be horrible

[Rukira]

You're getting cool looking gear, why complain?

[Zumi]

Crystal Tower is basically the equivalent of LFR in WoW. You can run LFR which is 25 people to gear up and do 10 mans normal/heroic raids.

[Naelle]

Long ago it was mentioned that Crystal Tower was going to get harder and harder the further up you get. Not sure if that's still the case but it seems like it could be fun. As I'm typing though I'm realizing they may have moved that concept to Coil. We'll have to just wait and see.