Monk/Pugilist: Useless Skills

[Cynric]

Just an FYI you can do first silence by using perfect balance. Just so we're clear here. If your job is to silence. Your job is to silence to make sure the group succeeds throughout the encounter. Damage is no longer your primary concern. You will be DPSing of course. But silencing in Oppo/Perfect Balance should be what you do and worry about. Attempting to finish the fight a little faster and actually finishing are very different things.

If for whatever reason you over commit to a new stance. perfect balance > Arm = silence on the fly, this is your only get out of jail free card. But it's good enough to make use of when needed.. Saying our Silence is worse than Paladins is hilarious. It takes so long for them to even get the silence effect after using the move.

[Viridiana]

Just an FYI you can do first silence by using perfect balance.

It's my understanding that Perfect Balance puts you in its own special "form" where you can use any ability but don't get any of the form bonuses; and, as such, you wouldn't be able to silence in PB just as you can't get the DK debuff going. Is that not accurate?

[Garnatian]

Tell that to Monks who solo interrupt ADS in Binding Coil

If they are doing that, they are doing it at the expense of their DPS. While other classes' silences are off the GCD, only adding to it. It's a worthless skill. You're better off replacing the MNK with a BRD and running 2 BRDs for silences.

[AldricBranchais]

It's my understanding that Perfect Balance puts you in its own special "form" where you can use any ability but don't get any of the form bonuses; and, as such, you wouldn't be able to silence in PB just as you can't get the DK debuff going. Is that not accurate?

You do get the form bonuses. Next time head to some dummies and pop PB and do some attacks. Dragon Kick will put the debuff, Arm of the Destroyer will silence.

[Casterbridge]

If they are doing that, they are doing it at the expense of their DPS. While other classes' silences are off the GCD, only adding to it. It's a worthless skill. You're better off replacing the MNK with a BRD and running 2 BRDs for silences.

If monks have gone in solo interrupt the instance and the group has won the encounter, then it's obviously not worthless, they can do it and their group can succeed and progress on. It may suck for the monks dps but it's not always about personal DPS, yeah two bards could interrupt and keep up higher dps, but they also have to make sure and switch off properly and stop attacking at the right moment to make sure they have the GCD ready for the silence, it's not hard but does take coordination, which solo interrupting monk does not need.

[Cynric]

Saying its a loss in DPS is kind of besides the point. Having someone on Silence duty allows you to finish the fight in the first place. Monks can do it well. Saying they can't or shouldn't because it costs them DPS pretty much just complaining to be complaining.

When you're placed into a utility role damage is secondary to the current utility role you provide to ensure the safety of the encounter.

And yes DK debuff and Silence from Arm happen in perfect balance.

[Viridiana]

You do get the form bonuses. Next time head to some dummies and pop PB and do some attacks. Dragon Kick will put the debuff, Arm of the Destroyer will silence.

If I had a 50 MNK, I wouldn't be asking the question in the first place, as I'd just go test myself.

[AldricBranchais]

If I had a 50 MNK, I wouldn't be asking the question in the first place, as I'd just go test myself.

Then hurry up and get one. :P Worth iiiitttt

[Dire]

If they are doing that, they are doing it at the expense of their DPS. While other classes' silences are off the GCD, only adding to it. It's a worthless skill. You're better off replacing the MNK with a BRD and running 2 BRDs for silences.

Hey it sucks for the Bards' DPS to have to play the ballad. 20% DPS loss every time. Does that make it a worthless skill?

So Monks have to take a hit in their DPS as compared to optimal if they are on interrupt duty. Guess what? Because of the way the animations work in this game Bards do as well (meaning to ensure Blunt Arrow does go off when needed we might have to hold off on those abilities which have longer animations). It's how it goes with utilities. Nothing for Monks to complain about, and good ones don't.

[Rapiso]

Hey it sucks for the Bards' DPS to have to play the ballad. 20% DPS loss every time. Does that make it a worthless skill?

Your exemple is wrong, Bards are the only ones who can use Ballad. If you're a Bard and there is another class in your party which can Ballad without nerfing his dps, you'll never use yours. This isn't optimal. Exactly like a monk nerfing his damage output to silence ADS when there is bards and paladins in his party.

But I wouldn't say it's a worthless skill.