Penalize players who adjust their prices too frequently

[Orlox]

Undercutters suck in 2.0, pure and simple.

How many times have you seen X put up an item for 150k gil, only to get undercut by Y who lists the same item for 140k gil? Now X comes back maybe an hour later, sees he was undercut, and adjusts the list price of his item accordingly, say to 135k. Y happens to be sitting at the market boards when this happens, and decides to drop his price once again as well, to 130k. After 2 or 3 days, the selling price of the item is now half of what it originally was.

Do you see what I'm getting at? I think it's insane that there are no penalties for this right now, and until there are, the extreme undercutting and market depreciation will continue to run rampant.

Why not simply require a small listing fee when posting an item on the boards (it doesn't have to be huge, say maybe 2%), and implement a tax whenever you pull an item from the boards before it's time is up (make this one ore significant to deter this activity, say 5-10% of the item's list price). This is just a suggestion based on what I've personally seen in previous MMO's that were successful at eradicating similar behavior.

[Mavlok]

Undercutters suck in 2.0, pure and simple.

How many times have you seen X put up an item for 150k gil, only to get undercut by Y who lists the same item for 140k gil? Now X comes back maybe an hour later, sees he was undercut, and adjusts the list price of his item accordingly, say to 135k. Y happens to be sitting at the market boards when this happens, and decides to drop his price once again as well, to 130k. After 2 or 3 days, the selling price of the item is now half of what it originally was.

That's how free markets work, yo.

[Korbei]

Buy the undercut item and put it back up for a profit.

[shadowrell_d-_-b]

lol penalize changing the price of your item on the market LAWL......you already lose money both buying and selling an item why would you want to lose more -_-

honestly it seems you don't understand how undercutters help other profit and stabilize over saturated stock on the AH, as the above stated just buy your competitiors product and sell it for a higher price when the market for that item has leveled out again.

its simple supply vs demand really if the is more of an item it will be undercut to increase item sales, once the cheaper priced items are gone the price will raise again due to less people selling said item. Use undercutters to your advantage to make even more money than you originally would have!

there is no reason for a penalty the AH is working as it is intended to, if you don't like where a certain items price is drop out of that market and focus on a more profitable one until that items market stabilizes again!

[Seriat]

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[FAVisceglia]

In the immortal–if paraphrased–words of Will McAvoy, what exactly would you like to replace Capitalism with?

In less clever terms, this is working as intended.

[Zeronic]

Wish it did work as intended. The market is flooded by botters and hackers that undercut by a WHOLE lot now. Money is still an issue, in 1 topic I hear, want money, start crafting! Here I hear, that I need to buy stuff to sell more? I know quests, leve's etc give some. And I try to do this. But its not only that seller 1 sells something for 10K, seller B for 9 and A back for 8.5. No, per item you have like 6 or 7 people that VASTLY undercut item, resulting in items that are sold for less then half the price it was originally sold. And from what I know this gets worse by the day.
(Also, you only get a penalty from market if you buy items in uldah while the seller is in gridania, only sellers pay tax).

[Orlox]

Wish it did work as intended. The market is flooded by botters and hackers that undercut by a WHOLE lot now. Money is still an issue, in 1 topic I hear, want money, start crafting! Here I hear, that I need to buy stuff to sell more? I know quests, leve's etc give some. And I try to do this. But its not only that seller 1 sells something for 10K, seller B for 9 and A back for 8.5. No, per item you have like 6 or 7 people that VASTLY undercut item, resulting in items that are sold for less then half the price it was originally sold. And from what I know this gets worse by the day.
(Also, you only get a penalty from market if you buy items in uldah while the seller is in gridania, only sellers pay tax).

Thanks for having a response that doesn't sound a lot like "I don't have a problem with this directly, so it's fine as is". It wouldn't be such an issue if there were more items that were actually the time and effort to farm / gather / craft, but there aren't, so it is.

Also, to the poster above, I get that supply and demand is a thing, but if only a few individuals can single-handedly depreciate an item's value so drastically before supply and demand actually has a chance to kick in, there's a problem.

[Mjollnir]

I undercut with every single sale because i want the item gone; whether it was a drop, quest reward or crafted for my log completion, I want it out of very limited inventory. As long as someone would buy it for more than I would get from the NPC (with tax), then I'll list it below the list price of what's already on offer because I just don't want it.

Supply/demand evens it out and after a day I'm left with ~15/40 items listed - I go back in and check to see if the prices on those are still appropriate, or if the market's moved on.

You have no right to decide what is an appropriate price for an item and complain when the game doesn't meet your expectations, and it your suggestion that botters & gilsellers would be trying to command the market in this fashion (undercutting) doesn't make sense - the market displays the same behaviour whether it be useful, farmed items like Diremite Webs, or junk like the Hempen Kurta which crafters are given eight times over.

[Amiabelle]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I don't see the problem with undercutting, provided it's not just a gil or two. People who undercut by a gil are, in my opinion, just being silly and I won't reward them with a sale.

As a buyer, why would I choose to pay 150k if I can get it for 135k? I'm not made of money, so if sellers have an underbidding war, it helps me, as a buyer. Additionally, if no one bought the item(s) at 150k, perhaps they were overpriced to begin with. Value is determined by what someone is willing to pay, not by the profit the seller wants to make.

When I'm selling things, if someone undercuts me, I might do one of several things:

• match the lowest, or
• take mine off the market and wait until the lower priced items move, or
• do nothing, assuming the lower priced ones will sell out and then mine will be lowest

I guess I'm just not all that competitive with regards to game markets. It's not RL.

For the record, I am NOT an undercutter -- I price things at what I feel are reasonable prices for the level of the item and the level of the buyer who will be using the item. I ask myself, "Would I buy it at this price?" If the answer is yes, that's the price I start with, if the answer is No, I go lower.