Monk/Pugilist: Useless Skills

[Chokee]

If group relay on your silence,GG. Normaly group has bard and two pal. Any of them can do silence better than monk. They just need take turn. Boss casting high voltage with random patern, time is not consistence. That is not big issue, big issue is boss will cast a lots aoe and you have to avoid them, when you are too focus on the silence thing you may get killed by these aoe. Group all have backup plan. I will call the monk MASTER if he can solo silence without any backup in video.
I would rather to have a 30 sec CD silence than this 3 action rotate silence.

"If your group relies on your silence, GG". What are you implying? You know me and my whole party's playstyle and skill level just by reading my previous post? i don't know about you, but i know i can ready up my opo opo form when my teammates call for it.

turn 2 ADS doesn't cast high voltage as unpredictable as you say. instead of a pattern, it has a 20 second cooldown, +~2 for every skill he does instead of high voltage. you can check the timer on the right for that. the times that i miss the timing are my own fault for trying to squeeze in 1 more combo instead of waiting in opo opo form.

also, me and my real life friends don't have a "normal party" . we have 1 pld and 1 brd. when the pld is tanking, sometimes he can't silence because of animation lock. and sometimes our bard is lagging. there are times they have to rely on my silence, and i don't fail them (most of the time).

and why do you think monks have to silence by themselves to be called good? that's why you have teammates. our bard and paladin backs me up on silencing when i just got out from ballast and tackle is cooling down.

its not the best strategy, we know. heck, i don't even think it's a "good" strategy. but i'm just saying it's more viable than you make it out to be.

[gentlepie]

True Strike: if Twin Snakes and Dragon Kick is up, I will use after bootshine from the rear, and I do notice the 5% chance to crit. It does hit harder than Twin Snakes and I use it all the time.

Haymaker: This procs in some fights more than others and unless I'm about to lose GL I will always use it. It's 40TP and 170 potency with a short slow. Why would you pass that up?

Fists of Wind: Although mostly just for convenience running around, I've found this to be useful in helping attacks connect when mobs are being kited, and also helps reduce the margin of error running out of Titan HM final phase Plumes.

I notice a lot of MNKs that I've partied with don't like to switch their stances. I switch into Fists of Earth in many situations to mitigate damage. I haven't tested this to be sure if Fists of Earth works with Aerial Blast and Earthen Fury.

[neoreturn]

but me and my real life friends don't have a "normal party" . we have 1 pld and 1 brd. when the pld is tanking, sometimes he can't silence
its not the best strategy, we know. heck, i don't even think it's a "good" strategy. but i'm just saying it's possible.

If you become to a pure silencer , your group DPS will be extrem low. Take much longer time to kill it. longer the fight, easier to fail.What I can image is you get opo form ready and auto attacking, if you doing anything, you may get 2 sec lock. If you died , GG, if you try to avoid aoe or transfer rot and boss casting HV, GG too. If you wait there and boss didn't casting HV in 10 sec but casting after 10 sec, another GG. There are too many way you can fail this silence than pal and bard. From stag point of view, it is not worth to do it. pal backup bard silence is best way. You may died there hundred times to get used to the silence. Most of us dont have a group could tell us try more than 3 times.

[Chokee]

If you become to a pure silencer , your group DPS will be extrem low. Take much longer time to kill it. longer the fight, easier to fail.What I can image is you get opo form ready and auto attacking, if you doing anything, you may get 2 sec lock.

the better you time it, the lower your downtime will be. also, im only replacing one skill with silence in my rotation, every other combo. and waiting for ~4s on every other combo. "extremely low" is exaggerated.

if you try to avoid aoe or transfer rot and boss casting HV, GG too. If you wait there and boss didn't casting HV in 10 sec but casting after 10 sec, another GG.

if i have rot, the next one will take it from me instead of me walking to them. the only thing i run away from is repelling cannons and i can go back right after the red circle disappears. and as i said before, you can estimate HV's cooldown and finish your combo when you have ~10s left.

There are too many way you can fail this silence than pal and bard. From stag point of view, it is not worth to do it. pal backup bard silence is best way. You may died there hundred times to get used to the silence.

we (our party) don't need the "best" way. we can't grind coil. we don't get bonus items for doing it the "best" way. my friends are okay with wiping, at least we know we are improving. if you prefer the easiest way on everything, then we might have been playing for different reasons.

Most of us don't have a group could tell us try more than 3 times.

yes we died lots of times before i get used to it. but we chose to build a strategy based on our composition, rather than changing our composition to accommodate a strategy.

i'm sorry to hear that your group is impatient, though.
try looking for better friends. and stop being so pessimistic on monks. they're not as bad as you think they are.

also, maybe we are arguing on different things. i am merely saying that a silencer monk is viable. i am not arguing your point that bards and paladins are better or safer. that is true.