The account suspensions and gil reset leave a black mark on this game.

[Nica]

That's how you respond to my legitimate response to your post? By typing "some uneducated stuff..." in the quote box in an attempt to make yourself and your position sound superior, and then basically saying "Sorry, this is the way it should be and that's that" while completely ignoring any of the points I brought up?

I can see I shouldn't have bothered spending time responding to you to begin with.

that's what people usually do when they have no answers or realize they're losing the debate, it's their version of yelling "your mom!" while running away.

[Mordrim]

You are missing the entire point.

I apologize if i came off rude or anything, english is not my native tongue and i probably haven't made my point clear:

I meant to say that you will probably never get answer through a public forum. This would force SE to "name and shame" the real guilty (if they answer to your thread they have to answer to all of them). It is a private matter and will probably be dealt with privately. That said where i fully agree with you is that the SE support is taking an awfully long time to resolve this while they are still "taking" the money of subscriptions. This is to me very disgusting.. If they suspend an account pending investigation, the game time count should be suspended too. And they really need to get on the ball here and start processing this faster.

[TeaTimeBear]

I don't understand why the ones who bought from you all hit by this Gil removal are left alone to wear the stuff you made. Shouldn't they have been suspended as well? What's to stop someone from investing in RMT and the using said money to buy items and materials.. Then resell them for clean money while the person who made the items takes a hit.

[OldGeezer]

It was me, but it was not 300k, it was 400k in tomb mats if i remember and the other mats I provided, so you can call it 450k back then.

I had put this on the market for 999k, but a friend who is lvl 50 said that is too cheap (I was only a lvl 39 BLM, due to crafting), so it went up for 1.25mil, as I could always come down if it does not sell and as a BLM I'd have used it at lvl 50 if I could not sell it...

The fact that you put it on the market at 1 million and it didn't sell was your first red flag. However, your greed took over and you sell it for 1.25 million. If a person couldn't afford it a 1 million why sell it at 1.25 million, unless you're targeting the gil buyers. You may be a victim of circumstance but you were a greedy victim of circumstance, it's not going to generate a lot of sympathy. The question you should ask is if you priced it at a point where a new player could afford it, would the gil still be on your character?

[Nica]

The fact that you put it on the market at 1 million and it didn't sell was your first red flag. However, your greed took over and you sell it for 1.25 million. If a person couldn't afford it a 1 million why sell it at 1.25 million, unless you're targeting the gil buyers. You may be a victim of circumstance but you were a greedy victim of circumstance, it's not going to generate a lot of sympathy.

Thank you for continuing to showcase your lack of knowledge on how the market operates and your inclination to rush to judgment based on your own bias and assumptions.

First, high cost goods generally have low sales volume, especially in MMOs with sharded servers like ARR, which by the nature of its design limits the size of your customer base (but also the number of competitors). It’s common to see sales of 1 or 2 of these items in a day, yet nothing for the next 4.

Second, nowhere in that post did he say how long he left the item on the market before changing the price. It could be a day, or it could’ve been 5 minutes. That you’d assume that it didn’t sell and he raised the price after an extended period of time to target RMTers shows your bias and is simply illogical. The former is rather obvious, he didn’t say or even imply, yet you assumed. As for the latter, why would RMT gil buyers wait until the price is higher to purchase those items? They have no more inclinations to spend more gil to buy anything than players who acquire gils legitimately.

The question you should ask is if you priced it at a point where a new player could afford it, would the gil still be on your character?

No, the question you should be asking yourself is why would anyone price the highest level crafted endgame items based on whether a new player can afford it or not, especially when doing so means losing money. Does Bugatti price their Veyron based on whether a typical fastfood worker can afford it?

[El_Brujo]

this what happen when GMs are checking your log

[Eclipsed]

I applaud you sir for a brilliant post.

Now let's take all the money off of Bill Gates, whoever own toyota/honda/coca-cola/apple/etc. and tell them "Well you guys lead your enterprises to the top, making a fortune with innovative ideas and a lot of work but now we need to take 99% away because you know, it's not fair for this highschool janitor. Oh and by the way, here's 300$ so you can at least eat for the next 2 weeks."

To give a real world analogy, if all of Bill Gates fortune was made up of counterfeit money yes the government would take it all away. And there would be no compensation whatsoever. It is not good for an in game economy or RL economy for counterfeit currency to be in circulation. Especially not when it is 10 times the amount of legitimate currency that has been generated. And it even did happen to him. Have you forgotten the Microsoft antitrust case and settlement with the DoJ due to their monopolistic practices and the fact that they cornered nearly the entire market that spanned almost 20 years between prosecution and settlement?

And yes there are a crapload of uneducated posts showing that many here do not have any real knowledge of economics. We have laws in the real world governing fair market practices, because these things cannot be allowed to happen for an economy to remain healthy.

[YuriRamona]

The fact that you put it on the market at 1 million and it didn't sell was your first red flag. However, your greed took over and you sell it for 1.25 million. If a person couldn't afford it a 1 million why sell it at 1.25 million, unless you're targeting the gil buyers. You may be a victim of circumstance but you were a greedy victim of circumstance, it's not going to generate a lot of sympathy. The question you should ask is if you priced it at a point where a new player could afford it, would the gil still be on your character?

Even if you priced it at a point where a new player could afford it, that doesn't prevent gil buyers from eating up the item.

How can this not be more clear? It will never be possible to avoid selling items to gil buyers because they have equal access to the market board.

Crafter wealth is no indication of anything. Lower-priced items sell faster. Smaller profits at a faster rate still add up to large profits.

[scarebearz]

I believe blizzard took their time because "naming and shaming" isn't appropriate, yet this dude went too far and forced them to do it. But what a laugh, one of the best "owned" moment ever. IF SE took actions against an account it IS obviously for good reasons, and they probably won't make it public to avoid "punishing" the guilty twice by "naming and shaming" them. IF they made mistakes they ought to correct it after proper investigation.

I've already asked them to do this, I welcome them to actually investigate my account and post the results on here^_-

[KevinC]

The fact that you put it on the market at 1 million and it didn't sell was your first red flag. However, your greed took over and you sell it for 1.25 million. If a person couldn't afford it a 1 million why sell it at 1.25 million, unless you're targeting the gil buyers. You may be a victim of circumstance but you were a greedy victim of circumstance, it's not going to generate a lot of sympathy. The question you should ask is if you priced it at a point where a new player could afford it, would the gil still be on your character?

I invite you to take a pencil and a piece of paper. As well as everyone else who can't seem to figure how people made millions in 1 month. I'll even do the math for you, you just need to copy what I'm gonna write and just say OOOOOOOOOhhh I get it! But please feel free to ask me for more explanation if need be.

So, 2 days after release you already had a lot of people that got lvl 50 on either DoW or DoM. They started their relic quests and BAM, need 3 darksteel ores to make 1 nugget (I think it's for the paladin and black mage relics, correct me if I'm wrong).

At this point, every fresh 50s have 250k-500k from main story and selling materias. A couple of days later, I hit 46 miner (people were actually sending me tells since I was lvl 42 to ask if I could provide darksteel ores, they found me with the search tool because I was the highest lvl on the server).

Once I hit 46, I started mining darksteel ore and was the only provider for the whole server for about 5 days. So here are my prices:

3 DS ores on market: 13k each
3 DS ores to player who sent me teels directly: 10k each
3 DS ores to some friendly FCs: 7k each

At this time there was already a huge load of 50s, waiting for DS ores and spruce logs (I think) for their relics. I made 400-500k each day ONLY with DS ores, selling them only 3 at a time. I sold to HUNDREDS of people on the market and I have a lot of high end crafter friends that can confirm it because they were going crazy at the market history for my mats.

I was the only lvl 46+ miner on my server for 6 days if I remember correctly.

So at this point it's 450k x 5 = 2700000

Now, I was also the only provider for gold sand (9k each), gold ores (9k each, cheaper for GSM friends), coblyn larva (15k, mining pet and yes people bought them, a lot), grade 3 matter (4k each), clusters (1k each).

I must have made around 3 millions selling all those mats so now I'm at:

2,700,000 + 3,000,000 = 5,700,000

I made around 1 million selling lesser tier ores too since I was also the first one to unlock electrum, cobalt, etc.

5,700,000 + 1,000,000 = 6,700,000

Then I was also the first one to unlock HQ rare mining mats but there was not a lot of crafter that could use them and by then there was around 3-4 other players that were selling rare mining mats. I was still able to make good money because I had regular client (mostly the 3-4 top gsm on the server) always in need of gold ores. From all that, I was able to get another 1.5 million.

6,700,000 + 1,500,000 = 8,200,000

Then I began to do the story quest and lvl paladin, I always took the allegan pieces when I could in the rewards and only stopped the main quest for the timed rare mining nodes. The story quest gave me around 350k and during that time I was still selling mats but at a lower pace since I had a lot of competition.

8,200,000 + 350,000 = 8,550,000

So i was able to get to his point within less than 2 weeks, by then there was plenty of lvl 50s, lots of competition so price dropped a lot. I really wanted to hit the 10 millions cap just to see the 8 digits and for the FC/personal houses since we have no price tag on those yet, it took me another week to make the 1.5 million I was missing.

Then another week after I got suspended, saying I cheated or boted in some way and you know the rest (gils divided by 100, no explanation, everyone kept their mats/gear from crafter, etc.).

It's not because you can't understand how people did it or if you can't do it yourself that it's not possible for other players.

Now don't come at me saying 99% was corrupted, it's tottaly impossible, that would even include money from quests. SE screwed up hard, did no investigation at all and just took 99% gils off of lots of player. If we had been caught red handed, our account would have been banned.