SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

[Ardan]

The job is still fresh and there is tons of room for improvement. Focusing everything on preserving summoner's "image" is a waste of time and resources. The balance between the summons we have now should be looked into.

[Miiu]

The job is still fresh and there is tons of room for improvement. Focusing everything on preserving summoner's "image" is a waste of time and resources. The balance between the summons we have now should be looked into.

I agree but given how SE ignored almost all requests about the Summoner class in ffxi puts some dark clouds on the horizon. So I think it's better to at least make our concerns known as early as possible. But from what I have heard people where already complaining during beta which I didn't participate in.

[KaosPrimeZero]

Now we only have garuda out because of contagion.

Not only because of contagion. We also keep garuda out because she doesnt have to run after the mob every time it decides to relocate. She can just continue dps'ing unlike ifrit and titan who have to follow the mob everywhere it runs losing dps, add to that she also lives longer so you dont have to resummon every 5-10 minutes cause they die to a big attack or something, thus resummoning and losing both player and smn dps.

[Ardan]

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Summoner in FFXI was purposely held back, like every other pet job, due to the crippling fear that they would actually be good. Tanaka was mostly to blame because, y'know, BALANCE.

As far as our current summons go, the only thing that needs to be changed is Ifrit and Titan. Garuda has a one-up on them because of contagion and benefits from our primary stat: INT. Honestly they just need to make it so Ifrit and Titan get the STR boost they need from our INT since all of their attacks, except enkindle, are physical.

[Warlyx]

Summoner in FFXI was purposely held back, like every other pet job, due to the crippling fear that they would actually be good. Tanaka was mostly to blame because, y'know, BALANCE.

yeah thats why in FFXI bst pets "nerfed" exp in partys.

thats why Avatars drained MP like crazy (never understood why , was a retarded idea)

and thats why Automatons were "random" , and casted in a particular order based on Puppetmaster Man. ICE ICE ICE...........pet start casting silence.....COME ON? cast blizz IV!

Took how many gears until SE added some SMN gear that was worthile? oh elemental staffs and the crappy lvl 50 set (that looke like crap ) , until u got AF1 (that wasnt that good but all AF1 sucked but some pieces) , AF2 was "ok" .....and then the MNK robe......that u needed to kill a flee + invis mob in one of the worse zones for agro ~~

[KaosPrimeZero]

.....and then the MNK robe......that u needed to kill a flee + invis mob in one of the worse zones for agro ~~

Name: Yingyang Robe
Zone: Ro'Maeve
NM: Shikigami Weapon
NM information: Shikigami Weapon spawns 21 to 24 hours and 15 minutes after it last died. It has an innate invisible effect and it cannot be targeted until it is aggro'd via spellcasting. This is a RDM type weapon, that can't be silenced.

I miss those days Matsui ruined FFXI for good /cry

[Borfin]

As a fresh SMN, I want to add my voice to the throng.

I would much rather each of my dots be a command issued to my pet (with maybe some iconic exceptions we've seen in prior games, like Bio) rather than a dot I apply; or even summon-themed. Something as simple as changing a name; Primal Fire (or Ifrit's Something) would make more sense than Miasma.

ACN (and SMN) spells scream death, decay and disease. This isn't a summoner's theme - it's a warlock theme. In addition to playing like one, even thematically I AM a warlock, I just summon Egis of Primals instead of demons (and, given their respective universes, aren't they the same thing really?)

I'm unsure if they did it because they want us to be non-elemental minus egis, but cmon.

Cmoooon.

I really like the game and it's not enough to make me quit it, but god damn I wish I was in command of the Primals - or at least their essences - more than I was a dealer of disease.

[Dean86]

Where are my great pets and epic pet moves from my commands? All it is is dots.

[Kevee]

Summoner in FFXI was purposely held back, like every other pet job, due to the crippling fear that they would actually be good. Tanaka was mostly to blame because, y'know, BALANCE.

As far as our current summons go, the only thing that needs to be changed is Ifrit and Titan. Garuda has a one-up on them because of contagion and benefits from our primary stat: INT. Honestly they just need to make it so Ifrit and Titan get the STR boost they need from our INT since all of their attacks, except enkindle, are physical.

Ifrit and Titan DO scale off of INT.

[Crescent_Dusk]

Ifrit and Titan DO scale off of INT.

Just miserably so, as I'm sure your thread outlined.

The fact that a ranged pet with the only good pet ability for raids does more damage than the melee pet you have to micro more to keep alive and has crap abilities is absurd.