Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

[Draco]

Cairdeas, I guess I am not understanding your post. In your post, you are assuming that Lancer is going to unlock Dragoon, and Archer will unlock Ranger. I do not see how they would ever have a lancer, and a dragoon, or a archer, and a ranger in the game at the same time. The only way that would make sense is if Dragoon was designed to replace Lancer @ Rank 50, and you are not able to Rank Lancer any higher. Basically, a promotion system. I did not read anywhere in the post that he mentioned a promotion system, so I would pretty much rule that out. Also, you mentioned at the bottom of your post that if you want to play a Thief/Marauder, you should be able to. I did not read anything that mentioned a main job/sub job system. Again, I may have just missunderstood your post.

[BloodLotus]

Cairdeas, I guess I am not understanding your post. In your post, you are assuming that Lancer is going to unlock Dragoon, and Archer will unlock Ranger. I do not see how they would ever have a lancer, and a dragoon, or a archer, and a ranger in the game at the same time. The only way that would make sense is if Dragoon was designed to replace Lancer @ Rank 50, and you are not able to Rank Lancer any higher. Basically, a promotion system. I did not read anywhere in the post that he mentioned a promotion system, so I would pretty much rule that out. Also, you mentioned at the bottom of your post that if you want to play a Thief/Marauder, you should be able to. I did not read anything that mentioned a main job/sub job system. Again, I may have just missunderstood your post.

I don't know about him, but I'm using Lancer and Dragoon as examples because I like those classes/jobs I had one in 11.

But the names of the Jobs aren't meant to be taken literally. They might not have any name we know of.

Using rift and their souls setup as an example....

http://www.riftgame.com/en/classes/index.php

Pretend Warrior Cleric Rogue and Mage are the classes we have now; Gladiator, Lancer etc.

Now imagine the Souls (Champion, Purifier, Nightblade and Elementalist) are the equivalent of Jobs.

Cairdeas wants to be able to use skills from Elementalist as a Warrior.

[Reika]

I don't know about him, but I'm using Lancer and Dragoon as examples because I like those classes/jobs I had one in 11.

But the names of the Jobs aren't meant to be taken literally. They might not have any name we know of.

Using rift and their souls setup as an example....

http://www.riftgame.com/en/classes/index.php

Pretend Warrior Cleric Rogue and Mage are the classes we have now; Gladiator, Lancer etc.

Now imagine the Souls (Champion, Purifier, Nightblade and Elementalist) are the equivalent of Jobs.

Cairdeas wants to be able to use skills from Elementalist as a Warrior.

It has already been said in the blueprint that Having a Job set will prevent you from using certain class skills, so even if you were to equip a wand as a warrior, it doesn't mean you will be able to use the elemental magic or healing spells, making it silly to equip a wand should they allow it anyways.

[BloodLotus]

It has already been said in the blueprint that Having a Job set will prevent you from using certain class skills, so even if you were to equip a wand as a warrior, it doesn't mean you will be able to use the elemental magic or healing spells, making it silly to equip a wand should they allow it anyways.

I'm glad you understand.

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[Reika]

Buuuut that doesn't mean it would be silly for a Warrior to be able to equip a Sword, Axe, Spear, H-H weapon, or Bow. Pretty much any DoW weapon. Warriors have been known to be weapon specialists, and can use a variety of weapons in combat.

[BloodLotus]

Buuuut that doesn't mean it would be silly for a Warrior to be able to equip a Sword, Axe, Spear, H-H weapon, or Bow. Pretty much any DoW weapon. Warriors have been known to be weapon specialists, and can use a variety of weapons in combat.

No it's not silly, it makes perfect sense and is a true fact.

[Cairdeas]

No it's not silly, it makes perfect sense and is a true fact.

Why limit some but let other slide? It should be all or none and I'd prefer the all. No, not every combination would get used, but that doesn't mean you should prevent the choice.

[Vesperia]

Cairdeas, I guess I am not understanding your post. In your post, you are assuming that Lancer is going to unlock Dragoon, and Archer will unlock Ranger. I do not see how they would ever have a lancer, and a dragoon, or a archer, and a ranger in the game at the same time. The only way that would make sense is if Dragoon was designed to replace Lancer @ Rank 50, and you are not able to Rank Lancer any higher. Basically, a promotion system. I did not read anywhere in the post that he mentioned a promotion system, so I would pretty much rule that out. Also, you mentioned at the bottom of your post that if you want to play a Thief/Marauder, you should be able to. I did not read anything that mentioned a main job/sub job system. Again, I may have just missunderstood your post.

You misunderstood the post.

Thief/Maruader isnt denoting a Main/Sub combo, in this case it is denoting a Job/Class combo.

[Cairdeas]

Cairdeas, I guess I am not understanding your post. In your post, you are assuming that Lancer is going to unlock Dragoon, and Archer will unlock Ranger. I do not see how they would ever have a lancer, and a dragoon, or a archer, and a ranger in the game at the same time. The only way that would make sense is if Dragoon was designed to replace Lancer @ Rank 50, and you are not able to Rank Lancer any higher. Basically, a promotion system. I did not read anywhere in the post that he mentioned a promotion system, so I would pretty much rule that out. Also, you mentioned at the bottom of your post that if you want to play a Thief/Marauder, you should be able to. I did not read anything that mentioned a main job/sub job system. Again, I may have just missunderstood your post.

Because Archer is a "Bow User" and Ranger is a "Ranged Damage Dealing Specialist." One is a Weapon, The other is a Specialization.

Lancer uses a Lance. Dragoon uses Jump and other abilities to help control Hate.
One is a weapon, one is a specialization.

Thats already established with how they are going to implement them.

That isn't what we are arguing.

What we are arguing is there is no reason to lock a Weapon from a Job just because that weapon might not be the best fit for the job. Because the Job doesn't define the weapon used, it defines the role performed in combat which again doesn't define the weapon used.

[BloodLotus]

Because Archer is a "Bow User" and Ranger is a "Ranged Damage Dealing Specialist." (Based on a personal assumption). Bow is a Weapon, The Ranger is a Specialization (Job). Archer is the Class

Lancer uses a Lance. Dragoon uses a lance also but has Jump and other abilities to help control Hate.
Lance is a weapon, Dragoon is a specialization (Job). Lancer is the Class

Thats already established with how they are going to implement them. (Not sure what you mean here)

That isn't what we are arguing.

What we are arguing is there is no reason to lock a Weapon from a Job just because that weapon might not be the best fit for the job. Because the Job doesn't define the weapon used, it defines the role performed in combat which again doesn't define the weapon used.

You are leaving out important parts of your sentences to make them work for you. I'll help you out by using FFXI as an example.