The account suspensions and gil reset leave a black mark on this game.

[SolviteSekai]

We were not banned, we were suspended.

We did return to the game and SE believe they took 99% of our gil with their automated program.

Some still have millions, if it was on their retainer or an alt. (I still have 4.5mil)

SE are under staffed and it shows, good luck if you ever need to contact Customer Support..

Players are asking for their accounts to be investigated by a Human GM, how does this show we are lying?

I played fair and that is why I am annoyed.

If you think I'm lying, please send in a Ticket asking for my account to be investigated, as if I am lying, not only am I still playing, I still have 4.5mil.

So either way, SE have messed up.

I don't really care to hear anyone's story.

This is a forum. Everyone has a story here.

[Pinworms]

Every post you have made is to troll, please go and whine some place else, you clearly have no idea how to play the game or how the game works.

:P

So because I do not agree with you I automatically become a troll? I stand by my opinion that you got what you deserved by targeting a player base that got their income through rtm.

Also some of you need to reread the definition of majority and minority.

[Susanoh]

Let me explain what is happening here.

1. Player buys gil and gets banned for it.
2. Player gets mad and posts about said ban on the forums.
3. Square Enix does not have the time or manpower to enter the thread and prove he is guilty.
4. Player says "Square Enix won't bother proving I did anything."
5. People whom are gullible believe Square Enix is evil.

These people got banned because they broke the rules. Honest people have nothing to worry about and should continue playing the game.

It's sad that SE cant get rid of these obvious threads because if they did, people would assume they contained the truth.

Thanks for the "explanation" but it clearly isn't based on fact.

You've already shown your biased presumptions in the very first point. You cannot say for certain that everyone who was affected and is complaining bought gil. All you can say is that they may have bought gil, or they may not have, and then look at what many are actually saying and draw conclusions from there. Whether you think these people are innocent or guilty, let's look at what actually happened. Many are saying they simply had their gil divided by 100, but either their main or one of their retainers was affected, not both. This strongly suggests that no investigation took place for the majority of accounts, because of the incredibly simplistic and uniform way it was conducted. The number of people claiming to be swept up in the net and the reasoning behind it (having a lot of gil) is also extremely questionable. Given the number of testimonials and the obviously questionable methods used in their process, of course there's people who want to know what's really going on. People want to know if there's anything more than "catch a bunch of people with high amounts of gil and suspend them, then strip their account" because after taking in all the information, there's a good amount that suggests this. But SE doesn't only "not have the time or manpower" to let forum users know that they aren't whimsically tossing out suspensions. They also don't have any in game GMs, phone support, live chat, or any other type of support that can say or do anything about it. If a player feels their account has been wrongly suspended, it stands to reason that they should have some form of contact in order to at least see if that is the case, but there isn't.

That you could call those calling out SE gullible is your most ironic point, and the funny part is that you probably don't even see why. The people who want SE to speak on the issue are the ones who want to know the truth, who don't blindly accept anything that the developers tell us and completely ignore that the methods they use at the very least, appear to be questionable. It's people like you who think they already know the truth, who've made up their mind that SE's the best and they ban all the cheaters despite everything suggesting a possibility that this isn't the case and complete silence on their part, that perpetuates complacency and blind faith in the developers.

[seekerofpower]

So crafters say we should have to craft if we want to make money, but then turn around and blame their rediculous prices on having to pay a lot for mats that are purchased with tomestones. Here's an idea, why don't the crafters run the dungeons to get said mats themselves instead of paying for them. Oh, because they shouldn't have to run dungeons if all they want to do is craft? The same thing us non-crafters said about making money.

I know it isn't terribly relevant to the conversation, I just thought it was funny.

[Susanoh]

So crafters say we should have to craft if we want to make money, but then turn around and blame their rediculous prices on having to pay a lot for mats that are purchased with tomestones. Here's an idea, why don't the crafters run the dungeons to get said mats themselves instead of paying for them. Oh, because they shouldn't have to run dungeons if all they want to do is craft? The same thing us non-crafters said about making money.

I know it isn't terribly relevant to the conversation, I just thought it was funny.

Crafters aren't "blaming" them for selling the materials at a high price. They're pointing out the irony in that others complain to the crafter that the finished products are sold at a high price but give a pass to the people who sell materials at high prices. I can guarantee that every serious crafter in here understands the basics of supply and demand and doesn't really fault the people who sell materials at a high price.

[Nica]

So crafters say we should have to craft if we want to make money

Or gather, or spam levequest, or via trading on market, crafting is not the only method, but it’s up to you to actually put in the effort.

but then turn around and blame their rediculous prices on having to pay a lot for mats that are purchased with tomestones. Here's an idea, why don't the crafters run the dungeons to get said mats themselves instead of paying for them.

Stating facts is not “blaming” anyone. Moreover, crafters running the dungeon themselves don’t actually change anything – A potash that’s worth 100k on the market is worth 100k regardless of whether the crafter bought it off the market, or farmed dungeons for it. The method of acquisition is irrelevant to the worth of the goods. Would you farm dungeons for 900k’s worth of materials only to make a product and sell it for 50k, because the dungeon mats in your mind is “free”?

It’s called “opportunity cost”, go google it, and may you be forever lifted from the masses of MMO players who ignorantly believes that “stuff I gather/mine/whatever myself is free!”

I know it isn't terribly relevant to the conversation, I just thought it was funny.

It’s quite relevant to the conversation actually, you are just one among many in this thread alone who are unfamiliar with some rather basic economic principles. Here’s another for you to think about:

If you went out and mined $1,000’s worth of gold, are you going to sell the gold for less than $1,000 because you went and mined it yourself?

I can guarantee that every serious crafter in here understands the basics of supply and demand and doesn't really fault the people who sell materials at a high price.

Pretty much, I don't care much about the cost of materials other than how they impact my production cost and capital investment.

[Rinsui]

Theres nothing to say the bans weren't legitimate, people will scream innocent even when caught red handed. Truth is, we dont know what they are doing or why, nor should we. Cant expect them to hand out the details of their investigations until they are complete. That that would be like the police announcing to the public who their main suspects are in a racketeering case is and what they are watching for. Jumping to conclusions over hearsay and internet screaming just breeds ignorance.

And you can be sure they'll cry the loudest.

[scarebearz]

And you can be sure they'll cry the loudest.

Yeah, because Legit players who are suspended and have their gil removed for no reason, will be perfectly happy about it?

I'm sure you'd be delighted?

[Eclipsed]

I do sort of feel bad for the special few that may have been punished through no fault of their own... But I have to say, there really is no black mark on the game. In fact life is better than ever for us regular players.

Prices seem to be stabilizing on the market. Our gil is now worth more. The prices of high ticket items are slowly dropping to more reasonable levels. There aren't nearly as many farmers as there used to be. And funny thing is, there is absolutely no talk about this happening in game or in the media. People are going about their daily business same as they ever did, and there are just as many of them as there used to be if not more.

[Bizniztyme]

Yeah, because Legit players who are suspended and have their gil removed for no reason, will be perfectly happy about it?

I'm sure you'd be delighted?

Even if you were ligit, you still had more money then you were suppose to. You were making money in an overinflated market that was caused by exploits and RMTs. If that wasn't the case, you wouldnt have those millions in the first place. IMHO