Do you think bard desired a nerfing soon.

[Risbyn]

I am pretty sure you didn't read what I said so I will just let you sit there and keep thinking whatever you want.

Thanks for proving his point that people like you are ignorant from pure laziness and arrogance.

[Trayes]

Thanks for proving his point that people like you are ignorant from pure laziness and arrogance.

No I am working and I don't have time to retype the same thing 10 times so people can understand what I am saying. The act of not sitting there and fighting with someone who has made up their mind is not an act of laziness or ignorance. What makes me arrogant? That fact that I have my own thoughts?

Shame on me...

[ReplicaX]

No I am working and I don't have time to retype the same thing 10 times so people can understand what I am saying. The act of not sitting there and fighting with someone who has made up their mind.

I will say, granted we are in disagreement and understand my mind made up is based on personal testing with FC members with Full DL and Relic +1 against my same gear on Bard running different boss fights. You are at least being constructive with your opinion on the matter.

As Far as my skill, my peers can decide if they want to. I play 2-4hrs a night if you really need to know.

Titan HM: Battle Voice + Ballad after Heart and Ballad again /w MP back to 1k.
Full DL + Relic+1
Complete Fight all phases Avg DPS: 187
Heart Phase DPS: 354

Dragoon was pushing: 209 DPS Avg Total Fight. > Limit Break not included.
Heart Phase DPS: 362 > Limit Break not included.

[Leon_Stormrage]

I will say, granted we are in disagreement and understand my mind made up is based on personal testing with FC members with Full DL and Relic +1 against my same gear on Bard running different boss fights. You are at least being constructive with your opinion on the matter.

As Far as my skill, my peers can decide if they want to. I play 2-4hrs a night if you really need to know.

Titan HM: Battle Voice + Ballad after Heart and Ballad again /w MP back to 1k.
Full DL + Relic+1
Complete Fight all phases Avg DPS: 187
Heart Phase DPS: 354

Dragoon was pushing: 209 DPS Avg Total Fight. > Limit Break not included.
Heart Phase DPS: 362 > Limit Break not included.

And all this damage including missed attacks and positional / combo loss.
Cmon people if a melee class can hit all his combos and always be in the correct position to attack the damage that they could do would be extremely hilarious

[Trayes]

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That is pretty close to what I said. I said people are not mad because of bards doing insane damage. People are upset that they are doing about the same damage while having all the utility and mobility.

Also when I talk about the ease of play that Bards have I am talking about the lack of positioning needed for skills as well as no cast times and no combos. It is a proc based class. If a dragoon misses 1 of their combo attacks it messes up their whole rotation. It can also mess up the times on all of their buffs/debuffs.

My point has always been. Don't lower Bards damage or nerf their songs. Just make them think about where to stand. This is why I have brought up many times to just add something like this.

Increased Action Damage II: Increases base action damage by 20% after standing still for 3 seconds. This buff lasts for 1 second after moving.

This targets their mobility without removing it. This targets their damage without lowering it. Last but not least this targets their positioning without changing their abilities.

[ReplicaX]

And all this damage including missed attacks and positional / combo loss.
Cmon people if a melee class can hit all his combos and always be in the correct position to attack the damage that they could do would be extremely hilarious

Should be more data on other fan forums. Many share on BG as well.

[Mikedizzy]

Can't we all just get along? BARDS are fine...let's just end this.

[Ravnis]

I generally average 180-190 DPS in DL, and Relic+1. The Monks, Dragoons and BLM's I play with in my coil group make my damage look bad. I don't understand how this has become such a heated debate. The Monk in my coil group has a mixed bag of AK, DL, AF+1 and Relic+1 and pulls 200+ DPS every fight. Dragoon, 200+, BLM 195+, and even the sad little summoner with his 150-160 +50-60 from his pet.

Sooo, yeah I do the least damage in my coil group with what people are calling the norm for damage for a bard my gear level.

Keep in mind more jobs are on the way, it looks like my role as support will always be set in stone. But I still have to be able to do some damage or else I'm dead weight.

[Allyrion]

Bards are fine.
The ease of play and heavy handed utility go hand in hand. It gives them more of a group role while providing damage.

Why be jealous of this? I've got enough to moniter as a monk, SE gave bards more to do because their gameplay(rotation) isn't as involved.

They're not that hard. So what?
This is as bad as the people crying about monks being too hard. I just don't get it.
Does everyone have to struggle with their rotation? Some people don't like that.
You don't need to be *rewarded* for putting more effort in to master your class or balance will dictate every class being the same.
NO. Play the harder class if you enjoy the challenge and that's reward enough.

Bards aren't doing insane damage, but they're competitive and bring utility. If they were out damaging everyone. then there's a balance issue.
Otherwise, it's a difference in playstyle.

The complaints might be worth more if it came mostly from bards who are getting bored. But it's not, it's coming from people who see the bards who have an easier time and they're jealous they can't be as lazy.

I honestly think, if you don't appreciate the challenge of playing your class. You are not worthy of playing it.
Sometimes I like to play easier classes, sometimes I don't. I'm glad this game has a variety, rather than other games where the classes are all the same difficulty with just flavor moves for deviation.

This thread is all emotion and jealousy. It has nothing to do with balance.
Difficulty does not need to be balanced. Only Realistic DPS potential (which means simulated to include movement).

[Lecreuset]

Some good reads here while maintenance is ongoing..

Keep up the good work guys!