Duty Finder tip: How to get groups FASTER via Duty Finder:

[Nanga]

I would not recommend this...

Well, maybe for few low-lvl dungeons it's fine, but as the dungeon lvl goes up, more and more "accidents" tends to happen and the need for communication arises sometimes.


There use to be a thread in JP forum demanding for more "strict enforcement of language selection in Duty Finder" due to above reasons.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...IDの難度の低下が必要です！

You're using a 1-page thread (which by reading all the responses, is NOT supported by everyone who responded) is hardly very credible evidence to suggest the ENTIRE Japanese community feels the same way as the extremely tiny minority who apparently posted that message.

But, to humor you, reading the thread, it's from someone who didn't like language barriers when it was necessary to communicate what to do in dungeons to people who are unfamiliar with it, ie newbies. As my tip covered, it is only really recommended to join other language DF groups when you are quite familiar already with that duty, and barely any instruction is necessary. Furthermore, pre-communicating to everyone that there is a language barrier and to be patient with you while translating, has ALWAYS, in my experience, netted positive results, positive responses, and even very friendly attitudes.

So, judging by my own experience which is completely contradictory to the SMALL minority you quoted, I think it is quite alright to join other language duties. It has YET to be a problem for me or anyone I've played with, and none of them have ever expressed any negativity over it. Matter of fact, I've accomplished far more in JP groups than English-only groups, and I can't recall any of those JP groups expressing negativity whatsoever towards me. However, I've been in many major FAIL english groups, and lots of blaming goes around - almost always directed at the language barrier, rather than the real problem. Point here is: language barriers are rarely the problem. It's either the people themselves, or how the instructions are given.

Edit: And lastly, it's pretty obvious why SE doesn't totally restrict languages from inter-mingling: they want to promote the world to play together, not segregate based on languages. With an auto-translator built in, that much is obvious.

[O_Villania]

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I am actually very happy for you, that you got very good experience playing with JP ppl.
However, I just want to remind you not everyone there is like that.

You're using a 1-page thread (which by reading all the responses, is NOT supported by everyone who responded) is hardly very credible evidence to suggest the ENTIRE Japanese community feels the same way as the extremely tiny minority who apparently posted that message.

Actually, I do see almost all the ppl replying are agreeing with putting stricter rules. (Maybe you have better understanding of Japanese than me. in that case, please point out which ones are "NOT support"ing)
Which is, again, somewhat sad for me because I am not of Japanese origin myself.
As to the part about thread being short, JP forum tends to use "Like!"s (as agreeing) instead of actually replying same/similar thing over and over again (ofcourse, there are times when ppl do that too) so what you need to count is not actually the page numbers, but the "Like"s on each reply.
(In that sense, I would NOT think 68 as a SMALL number)


From my personal experience, I had a few problems myself with DF in different languages.
The most serious one being a English speaking person in a JP group, was trying to assure the group he knows how to do this, but the group DID NOT understand that "statement" he made.
I kinda do the translation when things like such happens, but...NOT every group will have someone who knows both languages ofcourse.



In Short: It's your freedom to do it. but keep in mind people COULD be hating you.
I love to see people from different culture working together, but just raising "another view" on this issue.

[Nanga]

Actually, I do see almost all the ppl replying are agreeing with putting stricter rules. (Maybe you have better understanding of Japanese than me. in that case, please point out which ones are "NOT support"ing)

I said, "Is not supported by everyone." This means, "Of the *9* people who responded to the thread, not *ALL 9* of them were in support of it. Only some of them. Heck, maybe even 8 of them could be said to partially agree, but then some of them also said it doesn't matter if it's a duty that everyone is very familiar with anyways."

But this was just a mere aside to the fact that we were talking about a thread that only got 9 responses, from someone asking for better Duty Finder restrictions based on language. If a thread of that type only gets 9 responses, not only is this indicative that the topic is hardly an important one to the gigantic majority of JP players, but of the majority of people who even read the forums, ONLY *9* people responded. Nine. That's 1 less than 10, and 1 more than 8. I think this speaks for itself: The JP's really don't care one way or the other; they're more friendly than the NA/EU crowd, and far more welcoming.

[Dochas]

As to the part about thread being short, JP forum tends to use "Like!"s (as agreeing) instead of actually replying same/similar thing over and over again (ofcourse, there are times when ppl do that too) so what you need to count is not actually the page numbers, but the "Like"s on each reply.
(In that sense, I would NOT think 68 as a SMALL number)

Wait so 9 replies and 68 likes out of the entire JP forum base is a large number to you? You really don't have much of a grasp of scale do you?

I've done a few dungeons with everyone else in the group being JP. Sure there wasn't much chit chat, and it was obviously a first time for us as we were kind of wandering around trying to figure out where to go next, but everything went smoothly.

Auto + Google can cover most of what you need. And JP people may get angry or "be hating you" but they don't spam chat with a bunch of trash if/when it happens like the English speakers.

[O_Villania]

Wait so 9 replies and 68 likes out of the entire JP forum base is a large number to you? You really don't have much of a grasp of scale do you?

Well, here comes 63 replies one.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...言語選択機能がどうかと思う件

ofcourse, as the previous person said, not EVERYONE is against it, but worth looking at for those who do understand SOME Japanese.
(I posted it partially because someone in the thread suggested this to be talked about in English forums)

[Caraway]

some people using PS3 talking would be actually difficult I would imagine .

I really hate to be that person but the whole "I'm on a PS3" thing only goes so far... You're playing a MMORPG where communication is the key point (at least it's supposed to be, you get in some groups and you'd never realize it was nothing beyond poorly played AI). For the first little bit I can understand not realizing what a PS3 player is getting into with this sort of game but after playing it for a while I would suspect investing in a keyboard for the PS3 would be on top priority.

But its sad Ive levelled 2 jobs doing nothing but dungeons and I rarely have seen the same players more than once .

Suffice to say with DF there is no community .

I've actually had some really good experiences in the Duty Finder. While I've never run into those awesome people before the time spent together was great. And being able to communicate was what made it so much fun.

Sure, beating the dungeon is important, but the most fun I had was my first run through Stone Vigil with two folks from other servers. We all joked, talked and babbled away as we went through. It took us a few tries on some of the bosses but we finally beat the place (with 15 seconds to spare!) and it is something I will never forget.

[Zfz]

Well, here comes 63 replies one.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...言語選択機能がどうかと思う件

Key points from that thread:

1. Some want some kind of server-side enforcement, and objections are mostly regarding practicality in implementation.
2. Many call for an official announcement to the effect of: "non Japanese speaking people, please stop trolling by ticking the J option if you can't speak Japanese", and they call for this to be listed officially as a form of harassment that is punishable.
3. Some still think "JP Group" is for Japanese only, although many also speak out and correct these people.
4. There is a bug that may result in parties with no common language. Some of them just want this bug fixed. (Which invariably mean that J-only people will never get matched with non-J people.)

In general, however, they mostly agree that ticking the J option just because one wants a faster queue is bad manners, arguably a fraudulent behaviour.

And I agree with them. Joining JEDF while you can't speak EDF is just selfish and gives no consideration to what other people may wish.

For me? When I'm on my DD classes, I gather, I craft, but I will not join JEDF.

[Nanga]

It's really simple: If SE didn't intend for different languages to intermingle, there would be no built-in Auto-Translator, especially with phrases designated just for telling everyone you only speak a certain language, and dictating assignments/instructions in duties. If that bothers such an extremely small minority of people, they have the option of leaving if they feel they are being harassed or "bad mannered" simply because someone doesn't speak their language natively. One could make the argument that because someone doesn't KNOW what to do in the duty finder, yet joins a duty without knowing the duty, this too is fraudulent behavior - again, using the same logic being used for languages.