Duty Finder tip: How to get groups FASTER via Duty Finder:

[Nanga]

At level 50 it doesn't matter anyways. You will want to Run CM or Ak and every time you will get "Reserving Instance" even though your group is formed and ready. You wait no matter what in that case.

You will find it still matters. i didn't just get 50 yesterday. We experimented this after having been 50 for several weeks now. This changed our queue times dramatically in AK, CM, Garuda HM, Titan HM, etc.

Here's WHY it still matters:

Let's say there's 10 instances allowable at any given time. Currently, there are 9 JP groups running AK, and 1 Eng group running AK.
1 Eng joins the queue, eng only.
1 JP joins the queue, JP only.
6 more JP join the queue, JP only.
...one of the JP AK groups finishes, opening an AK instance slot.
The Eng-only people, having joined the queue first with 1 person, start to reserve a queue spot.
...the Eng AK group finishes, opening an AK instance slot.
1 Eng joins the queue, now 3 people waiting for 1 person.
...The JP group launches immediately because there are 7 in the queue, enough for a full group with all necessary classes.
20 JP's join the queue.
...another AK group finishes, opening a queue slot.
Another JP-only group launches immediately due to having enough already queued.
1 Eng person joins the queue, enough to fill the first Eng group, and that group launches.
There are now 22 JP's in the queue still, waiting for an instance spot to open.
1 Eng person joins the queue, Eng-only.
That Eng-only person has to wait behind ALL 22 of those JP's, who likely have the next 7 instance slots reserved among them all due to the # of tanks, healers, dps, etc in that 22.

Do you understand it? That last Eng person who joined the queue now must wait for 10 different AK's to finish before they can even be considered for an instance reservation. All because they selected ENGLISH only on a JP server. Now imagine this on a scale 100x that, and I think you may start to get a full picture.

It does matter. It matters at level 50. It matters at level 10. It matters for every Duty, regardless of your level.

a picture representation would probably make this easier to see/understand, but it really is just a matter of 1+1 math

[Alyko]

Ever play FFXI? JPs are infamous for not wanting to play with foreigners. Even if the content requires little strategy in question, JPs only want to play with people who speak JP.

The DF Language setting is for LANGUAGES YOU SPEAK, not the language you want to play with.

You can do this now, but when the kick option is introduced next patch, don't be surprised if you're votekicked out of a JP group

[Nanga]

Ever play FFXI? JPs are infamous for not wanting to play with foreigners. Even if the content requires little strategy in question, JPs only want to play with people who speak JP.

The DF Language setting is for LANGUAGES YOU SPEAK, not the language you want to play with.

You can do this now, but when the kick option is introduced next patch, don't be surprised if you're votekicked out of a JP group

We've covered this topic already, but thanks for adding your two cents. But to recap: It seems JP's are infamous for not wanting to play with foreigners who are rude to them. Like others who have replied to this thread and have actually enjoyed the company of JP's, but do not speak their language, we have not had a problem with them. On the contrary; they are actually quite nice and welcoming, so long as you are nice, friendly, welcoming, and enjoyable to be around.

They're used to NA/EU people who are rude, nasty, disrespectful, and mean. NOT acting that way keeps you from getting kicked out of any group. It's not the language barrier typically. It's the behavior barrier

P.S. I think you need to take a look at exactly how the votekick function is going to work

[Grailer]

I won't be doing this primarily because I actually like to converse with people while performing a dungeon run. To joke and chatter while we spend the next half an hour or so of our time together.

It's really sad how few people will actually talk while in a dungeon. I'm not at the end-game ones yet, but even as a tank during trash with the length of the GCD I have enough time to shoot out a comment while playing. Talking builds community and all of that, and Iwouldn't want to be rude to someone and not talk because I don't know their language and queued up in their duty finder because I was impatient.

If I wanted to just run through a dungeon with suboptimal, silent bots I'd go play Final Fantasy XIII.

some people using PS3 talking would be actually difficult I would imagine . But its sad Ive levelled 2 jobs doing nothing but dungeons and I rarely have seen the same players more than once .

Suffice to say with DF there is no community .

[Hysterior]

Select all four language buttons (JEDF) at the top-right corner of the Duty Finder window.

As long as I don't hear you say "ah this Japanese tank is stupid, he don't understand anything" I will be fine...
Don't expect to be able to communicate big party strategy

Bit like if you only put english and only use english DF with 6 other english-speaking members and a Japanese player put all language to go quicker and end-up in your team and speak 0 english.
It could be frustrating sometime... when most people speak a language and a few other can't understand anything
if you try to explain something that he does wrong, or not as you would like, then you might hurt a wall

So ok to put all languags but blame yourself if there are some communication problem, that's all

[Nanga]

As long as I don't hear you say "ah this Japanese tank is stupid, he don't understand anything" I will be fine...
Don't expect to be able to communicate big party strategy

Bit like if you only put english and only use english DF with 6 other english-speaking members and a Japanese player put all language to go quicker and end-up in your team and speak 0 english.
It could be frustrating sometime... when most people speak a language and a few other can't understand anything
if you try to explain something that he does wrong, or not as you would like, then you might hurt a wall

So ok to put all languags but blame yourself if there are some communication problem, that's all

This is what Auto-Translate and Google Translate are for Included in the suggestion, are notes about notifying your group that you don't speak japanese (kindly), but do use a translator and as long as people are patient and concise in their instructions, you will use the translator to translate everything they say. Most any game-driven commands, spells, attack functions, etc have Auto-Translate equivalents. I have yet to encounter a situation that wasn't easily decipherable through Auto-Translate or Google Translate. And then after I understand what they say, I will repeat an English-to-Japanese translation of what I understood, and then they reply with OK, or Yes, or <Understood>.

It's funny. I'm really starting to see a trend from responses here, and it's usually a negative response based on people avoiding proper communication. If people are proactive in removing those language barriers before they become a problem, they'll find that their gaming experience with people of different languages is quite fun and much more enjoyable than with disgruntled people of the same language.

[texhnolyze]

JDEF, i've been doing this since beta
well, i'm on a JP server so i have to be able to do dungeons with them
i use google translate a lot, that helps
if you found a good group (which is most of the times), you won't need to say anything
but there are also bad (learning) Japanese players, so those are the times we have to communicate

I would not recommend this...

Well, maybe for few low-lvl dungeons it's fine, but as the dungeon lvl goes up, more and more "accidents" tends to happen and the need for communication arises sometimes.


There use to be a thread in JP forum demanding for more "strict enforcement of language selection in Duty Finder" due to above reasons.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...IDの難度の低下が必要です！

this is new for me, but i don't think all of them feel that way
sometimes, i also un-tick the J language in DF, but i still find them
so i assume that they're also ticking all of the languages in DF

[O_Villania]

Wait so 9 replies and 68 likes out of the entire JP forum base is a large number to you? You really don't have much of a grasp of scale do you?

Well, here comes 63 replies one.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...言語選択機能がどうかと思う件

ofcourse, as the previous person said, not EVERYONE is against it, but worth looking at for those who do understand SOME Japanese.
(I posted it partially because someone in the thread suggested this to be talked about in English forums)

[Caraway]

some people using PS3 talking would be actually difficult I would imagine .

I really hate to be that person but the whole "I'm on a PS3" thing only goes so far... You're playing a MMORPG where communication is the key point (at least it's supposed to be, you get in some groups and you'd never realize it was nothing beyond poorly played AI). For the first little bit I can understand not realizing what a PS3 player is getting into with this sort of game but after playing it for a while I would suspect investing in a keyboard for the PS3 would be on top priority.

But its sad Ive levelled 2 jobs doing nothing but dungeons and I rarely have seen the same players more than once .

Suffice to say with DF there is no community .

I've actually had some really good experiences in the Duty Finder. While I've never run into those awesome people before the time spent together was great. And being able to communicate was what made it so much fun.

Sure, beating the dungeon is important, but the most fun I had was my first run through Stone Vigil with two folks from other servers. We all joked, talked and babbled away as we went through. It took us a few tries on some of the bosses but we finally beat the place (with 15 seconds to spare!) and it is something I will never forget.

[Zfz]

Well, here comes 63 replies one.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...言語選択機能がどうかと思う件

Key points from that thread:

1. Some want some kind of server-side enforcement, and objections are mostly regarding practicality in implementation.
2. Many call for an official announcement to the effect of: "non Japanese speaking people, please stop trolling by ticking the J option if you can't speak Japanese", and they call for this to be listed officially as a form of harassment that is punishable.
3. Some still think "JP Group" is for Japanese only, although many also speak out and correct these people.
4. There is a bug that may result in parties with no common language. Some of them just want this bug fixed. (Which invariably mean that J-only people will never get matched with non-J people.)

In general, however, they mostly agree that ticking the J option just because one wants a faster queue is bad manners, arguably a fraudulent behaviour.

And I agree with them. Joining JEDF while you can't speak EDF is just selfish and gives no consideration to what other people may wish.

For me? When I'm on my DD classes, I gather, I craft, but I will not join JEDF.