The account suspensions and gil reset leave a black mark on this game.

[Susanoh]

really just get over it you keep going on about others so i take it you wernt even effected so what?

no one knows what SE is going to do this could just be temp for all we know they could of just targeted the larger accounts cleaned them till they can figure out if it really was RMT or not for all we know they could get there gil back NO ONE KNOWS

No, I wasn't affected, but this is still important enough to talk about because if players don't stand up for the minority, then SE will be able to continually get away with hostile actions against its own player base. If SE targets 1% of the community and 99% says "Oh well, I wasn't affected, I don't care" then they could target a different 1% the next month and the same thing will happen. Since it's a small number of people affected/complaining, they can't make much noise and it blows over until the next time it happens and the process repeats. This isn't something I like to see happening to other players and it's not a precedent I want to see set that players are deemed guilty for playing the game as intended. Even if you don't care about your fellow player, you might care if the next time this happens it's your progress getting wiped and the developers and a large portion of the community label you a cheater.

[Seraphita]

Play the game how it was intended to be played and you won't have any problems...
Cry me a river...

[Nica]

1. unless they have a log that logs evry indavendual gear and peraon the gear has been tradded to/crafted on it be impossiable to trace it

we don\\'t know what SE logs and don\\'t log, but from my experience in other MMOs, tracking item is rather basic, as many RMT launders with items instead with currency. I sure hope SE would not find something that\\'s rather basic to be too hard to do.

2. again as said before crafters shouldnt of been so gready on a fresh server charging 1+mil for items on a brand new server of corse SE is going to target you and those with large amounts of gil

the market sets the demand and price level, no crafter will sell things at prices below cost, that is not being greedy, that\\'s jusr common sense.

3. Gil Sellers arnt that stupid to put to big of ammounts of gil on 1 account (unfortinitly) thuse makes it hard to find them

That is no different from what every other MMO operators have to deal with, are you saying SE is so incompetent that they have to use a nuke-them-all tactic?

4. again as meny have said unless they loged every single thing its gonna take a good bit of time to do anything

and for all of those who played 11 you all know SE isnt known for there speed THEY love taking there sweet time on anything

which is terrible CS then, and even worse now.

really just get over it you keep going on about others so i take it you wernt even effected so what?

this is a forum, for people to talk about things.

[Susanoh]

Play the game how it was intended to be played and you won't have any problems...
Cry me a river...

Are you saying that the game was not intended to involve a free market where players buy goods with in game currency? Since SE included the market boards and doesn't enforce any sort of regulation, it stands to reason that that's exactly the way the markets were intended to work.

[GYX]

I am not involved in any suspicious activity in the game, and my account was not suspended. I am willing to bet the vast mayority of the player base is on the same boat as me.

With that said, if you happen to be a victim of the system, you know, because you know you are inocent, It would be better if you just take tha matter PRIVATELY with SE, and since you are inocent, things will get sorted out in your favor.

On the other hand, stiring things quickly in to public's attention only serve as a metod to preasure the company for your benefit, mosty to aleviate preasure due to the enforcemet of rules you are most certantly braking.

This seems to be the case, mainly because there is a very small number of people complainning about the matter, which leave to question the OP's intentions with this thread.

[silentwindfr]

free market don't means you are free to encourage RMT by doing insane price. free market don't mak you free of any responsability, if your price make the people to go to the RMT, you are as much responsible.
not all fault lie in the buyers, seller have part of responsability into it.

[Susanoh]

I am not involved in any suspicious activity in the game, and my account was not suspended. I am willing to bet the vast mayority of the player base is on the same boat as me.

With that said, if you happen to be a victim of the system, you know, because you know you are inocent, It would be better if you just take tha matter PRIVATELY with SE, and since you are inocent, things will get sorted out in your favor.

On the other hand, stiring things quickly in to public's attention only serve as a metod to preasure the company for your benefit, mosty to aleviate preasure due to the enforcemet of rules you are most certantly braking.

This seems to be the case, mainly because there is a very small number of people complainning about the matter, which leave to question the OP's intentions with this thread.

I disagree, myself. With no commotion, the issue is far more likely to blow over with nothing getting done. Even if a portion of the players affected were to quit, since they only targeted a minority, they may very well not care. Many affected have stated they've already tried to contact SE support and get directed to another dept. no matter where they turn to. With no statements from SE that they're even going to do anything about this, and no way to contact anyone who can give them any solid information, I don't really see any action that could be taken other than pressure until players at the very least get a word that something can be done.

As for my intentions, they're right up there a few posts above this one.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

With that said, if you happen to be a victim of the system, you know, because you know you are inocent, It would be better if you just take tha matter PRIVATELY with SE, and since you are inocent, things will get sorted out in your favor.

You're right in principle; sadly in this case players have tried to take the matter directly with SE and were met with absolutely no help whatsoever, neither in-game (where they tell you to contact RL offices) nor IRL (where they tell you to open an in-game ticket).

[Susanoh]

free market don't means you are free to encourage RMT by doing insane price. free market don't mak you free of any responsability, if your price make the people to go to the RMT, you are as much responsible.
not all fault lie in the buyers, seller have part of responsability into it.

First of all, a free market does leave the seller with no responsibility, because the market is unregulated and can be set based on supply and demand. If the seller has a responsibility to set a specific price to appease some overlords, then that is not a free market.

Secondly, blaming the crafter for another player buying gil to buy an item he can't afford would be like blaming Ferrari because a man robs a bank in order to buy a car he can't afford. Placing an item on the market for 25k, 1mil, or the max amount of gil possible is not cheating, and if the markets are not player controlled and the crafter bears responsibility for setting their prices "fairly" (whatever that means), SE needs to step in and let players know that. As things are now, the markets appear left untouched and unregulated for supply and demand to run its course, as most in game market places are and probably will be in the future, with no indication that selling an item for any specific price would be an offense.

[Nica]

free market don't means you are free to encourage RMT by doing insane price. free market don't mak you free of any responsibility

Insane prices? What’s insane prices? Selling an item for 1-2 mil when the material cost is 900-1.8 mil is not “insane prices”. TBH, by your logic, it would be more apt to blame DoW/M like yourself for setting the tomestones item prices so high, but I wouldn’t, because…

if your price make the people to go to the RMT, you are as much responsible.


not all fault lie in the buyers, seller have part of responsability into it.

…I don’t subscribe to that type of faulty logic. One thing, and one thing only, drives people to RMT – the willingness to spend real money to bypass in-game effort to get something they want.

By your logic, a luxury car maker would be responsible for someone robbing a bank to buy their car, a mugging victim responsible for the assault because he had too nice of a jacket on, and a rape victim for the rape because they were too attractive. You are free to feel that way (the sad part is many in the world still do), but it is my opinion that these type of blame-the-victim mentality are… well, not very good.