Do you think bard desired a nerfing soon.

[gigarit]

Rofl this thread makes me giggle. Bards are pretty damn fantastic, besides the fact that they will almost ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be playing a song which means 20% reduced damage. Either Mana or TP for the rest of the group.

They are a support class and they do it very well, if a bard didnt have to play any songs they would do amazing dps, but since their songs are required by many groups they will almost always have the 20% damage nerf. That is why they have such great skills and dps cooldowns to try and make up for that 20% nerf.

[Sygmaelle]

They said itll be belanced separately. But still... Have you tried hitting a moving target as melee? Its just not possible 90% of the time.

Its not possible 10% of the time. Fixed it for you there.

[Isaaru]

Just though I would stop by and say that in Turn 4 of the Binding Coil of Bahamut our group uses 2xDRG 1xBLM and 1xBRD as DPS. All of these DPS are about equally geared and each of the DPS does about the same damage upon completion of the Turn.

[Louro999]

I am myself BLM and I play with a friend BRD most of the time.
We are equally geared (full DL and relic +1).

His DPS is too high for the support he brings. All songs are awesome and that Silence is too much.
Not to mention that most of the time, his DPS is above mine (except on a short fight cause of his +elem dmg song) while he is also bringing all that support.

I have played many Final Fantasy from 5 to 12 and in most of them the Silence spell was a Black Mage power.
So how come Black Mage here has no Silence and archer has it ?

In most FF I've played with a Dragon class, the dragoon could restore party MP. Remember Freyja in FF9 ?
She could cast Recup on the whole party, she could restore some MP to the whole party, where have those powers gone ?

Why the Archer got all the support skills ? BLM needs a Silence instead of Apocastase and DRG needs some MP restore powers.
Monk could have some party support skills too... Referring to FF9 again, Amaranth had some individual MP/HP restore powers and Auto-Life...

[Alcide]

I am myself BLM and I play with a friend BRD most of the time.
We are equally geared (full DL and relic +1).

His DPS is too high for the support he brings. All songs are awesome and that Silence is too much.
Not to mention that most of the time, his DPS is above mine (except on a short fight cause of his +elem dmg song) while he is also bringing all that support.

I have played many Final Fantasy from 5 to 12 and in most of them the Silence spell was a Black Mage power.
So how come Black Mage here has no Silence and archer has it ?

In most FF I've played with a Dragon class, the dragoon could restore party MP. Remember Freyja in FF9 ?
She could cast Recup on the whole party, she could restore some MP to the whole party, where have those powers gone ?

Why the Archer got all the support skills ? BLM needs a Silence instead of Apocastase and DRG needs some MP restore powers.
Monk could have some party support skills too... Referring to FF9 again, Amaranth had some individual MP/HP restore powers and Auto-Life...

Yea let's make everyone a support class, except only the bard should get the 20% dmg nerf + another nerf just for the sake of it, makes totally sense.

[Louro999]

Yeah bro the only dps support class having all the support skills and being top DPS makes much more sense.

I thought there was no support class but only dps classes ? So what's wrong with all DPS having some support skills hmm ?
Is bard a dps or a support ? You bards should set your mind.

You don't want the bard to get stripped of his #1 DPS role because bard is dps as there is no support class in this game, yet you don't want other dps classes to have some support skills because bard is the only support dps ? Makes sense.

[Volux]

I think bard should stay exactly as it is but yes the other DPS classes should be able to do some supporting also. Then again there are some supporting abilities already that the other classes have...disembowel, feint, sleep, MANTRA!

Not saying they bring as much utility as bard songs do, but if the ACTUAL issues of the other DPS classes were resolved (i.e. moving targets for melee, a decent way for BLM to keep up some dmg when repositioning, mnks losing stacks of their buff) are cleared up there is no reason the classes can't be balanced without dropping a nerf on the BRD.

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[Volux]

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Give BLM an insta-cast ability on a short CD they can cast on the run when they have to move. Let Dragoon's jump take them into the flanking position they need to be in if the mob moves on them. Let Monk's stacking buff last a bit longer if the mob jumps away or they need to avoid an aoe, (maybe a skill like archer's repelling shot where they can jump kick backwards away from mob then activate it again to get closer, and a shockwave punch at low potency to do some damage from a distance).

There are subtle things to do that can improve the game for everyone without taking things away from someone else. Balancing is tricky but I think people are blowing the proportions out of hand. Sure Bard has some great advantages and perks, but it's not like it's doing 2:1 damage on every other DPS.

[Conkers]

They are a support class and they do it very well, if a bard didnt have to play any songs they would do amazing dps, but since their songs are required by many groups they will almost always have the 20% damage nerf. That is why they have such great skills and dps cooldowns to try and make up for that 20% nerf.

They aren't a support class, a support class unsurprisingly consists mainly of support skills, not mainly DPS skills with a handful of support, they also tend to do significantly less damage than the temporary 20% reduction that bards get, which is then compensated by having a higher uptime due to lack of casts, this game does not have support classes.

Bard is just a DPS class with a little bit of support, some of which is critical, so makes them an automatic pick above any other DPS, bad design, is bad.

[Risbyn]

Yeah bro the only dps support class having all the support skills and being top DPS makes much more sense.

I thought there was no support class but only dps classes ? So what's wrong with all DPS having some support skills hmm ?
Is bard a dps or a support ? You bards should set your mind.

You don't want the bard to get stripped of his #1 DPS role because bard is dps as there is no support class in this game, yet you don't want other dps classes to have some support skills because bard is the only support dps ? Makes sense.

Except Bard isn't #1 DPS...