The account suspensions and gil reset leave a black mark on this game.

[OldGeezer]

...Some have said things like “crafters knew they were selling to gil buyers, they’re not innocent in this” or “crafters shouldn’t price items out of the reach of normal players...

They could ask themselves is this a "reasonable price" for the item I made. Usually, it's "no". There is no reason to sell level 50+ gear pieces on a brand new server for over 1 nillilon within the first month. It's a case of "Let the seller beware". Were most cratfers complicit or just blinded by greed to realize things weren't on the up-and-up? Whose fault is that? Everyone's. The gill sellers/buyers, the crafters, and SE. Unfortunately, SE cuts out the problem like you do a cancer; cut out the cancer and the healthy tissue around it i.e. the crafters who made 50 at the start of the game. It's unfair but it removes the articial inflation caused by the gill buyers and allows the economy to grow under more normal circumstances.

[Susanoh]

They could ask themselves is this a "reasonable price" for the item I made. Usually, it's "no". There is no reason to sell level 50+ gear pieces on a brand new server for over 1 nillilon within the first month. It's a case of "Let the seller beware". Were most cratfers complicit or just blinded by greed to realize things weren't on the up-and-up? Whose fault is that? Everyone's. The gill sellers/buyers, the crafters, and SE. Unfortunately, SE cuts out the problem like you do a cancer; cut out the cancer and the healthy tissue around it i.e. the crafters who made 50 at the start of the game. It's unfair but it removes the articial inflation caused by the gill buyers and allows the economy to grow under more normal circumstances.

In a free market, a "reasonable price" is whatever price people are willing to pay. If a crafter prices an item too high, then no one will buy it, and the crafter is forced to lower the price. If people buy it up immediately and there seems to be a lot of demand, they might price it higher next time. With that said, there is every reason to price a 50+ piece of gear at over one million gil. Would you blame Ferrari if some envious middle class man robs a bank in order to buy one of their cars? "Well, Ferrari should have priced their cars the same as a Corolla so that everyone could afford one, they're just as much at fault as the bank robber." Please.

[silentwindfr]

In a free market, a "reasonable price" is whatever price people are willing to pay. If a crafter prices an item too high, then no one will buy it, and the crafter is forced to lower the price. If people buy it up immediately and there seems to be a lot of demand, they might price it higher next time. With that said, there is every reason to price a 50+ piece of gear at over one million gil. Would you blame Ferrari if some envious middle class man robs a bank in order to buy one of their cars? "Well, Ferrari should have priced their cars the same as a Corolla so that everyone could afford one, they're just as much at fault as the bank robber." Please.

exept this have make the RMT make profit from it.

[Susanoh]

exept this have make the RMT make profit from it.

Yes, the RMT make a profit because people buy gil. And instead of blaming the people who actually buy gil, many here advocate that the crafter shares just as much fault for using the free market as intended, when anyone who understands how an unregulated market in an MMO works would not advocate that at all.

[Nagiisa]

In a free market, a "reasonable price" is whatever price people are willing to pay. If a crafter prices an item too high, then no one will buy it, and the crafter is forced to lower the price. If people buy it up immediately and there seems to be a lot of demand, they might price it higher next time. With that said, there is every reason to price a 50+ piece of gear at over one million gil. Would you blame Ferrari if some envious middle class man robs a bank in order to buy one of their cars? "Well, Ferrari should have priced their cars the same as a Corolla so that everyone could afford one, they're just as much at fault as the bank robber." Please.

your just going on and on but you seem to not get the point.... NEW SERVERS WONT HAVE THAT MUCH GIL LEGITLY is there point so crafters know its from gil sellers or ppl buying gil but dont care thuse i think SE did the right thing and still bannedded crafters that so called did it legit

[GYX]

I am not involved in any suspicious activity in the game, and my account was not suspended. I am willing to bet the vast mayority of the player base is on the same boat as me.

With that said, if you happen to be a victim of the system, you know, because you know you are inocent, It would be better if you just take tha matter PRIVATELY with SE, and since you are inocent, things will get sorted out in your favor.

On the other hand, stiring things quickly in to public's attention only serve as a metod to preasure the company for your benefit, mosty to aleviate preasure due to the enforcemet of rules you are most certantly braking.

This seems to be the case, mainly because there is a very small number of people complainning about the matter, which leave to question the OP's intentions with this thread.

[Susanoh]

I am not involved in any suspicious activity in the game, and my account was not suspended. I am willing to bet the vast mayority of the player base is on the same boat as me.

With that said, if you happen to be a victim of the system, you know, because you know you are inocent, It would be better if you just take tha matter PRIVATELY with SE, and since you are inocent, things will get sorted out in your favor.

On the other hand, stiring things quickly in to public's attention only serve as a metod to preasure the company for your benefit, mosty to aleviate preasure due to the enforcemet of rules you are most certantly braking.

This seems to be the case, mainly because there is a very small number of people complainning about the matter, which leave to question the OP's intentions with this thread.

I disagree, myself. With no commotion, the issue is far more likely to blow over with nothing getting done. Even if a portion of the players affected were to quit, since they only targeted a minority, they may very well not care. Many affected have stated they've already tried to contact SE support and get directed to another dept. no matter where they turn to. With no statements from SE that they're even going to do anything about this, and no way to contact anyone who can give them any solid information, I don't really see any action that could be taken other than pressure until players at the very least get a word that something can be done.

As for my intentions, they're right up there a few posts above this one.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

With that said, if you happen to be a victim of the system, you know, because you know you are inocent, It would be better if you just take tha matter PRIVATELY with SE, and since you are inocent, things will get sorted out in your favor.

You're right in principle; sadly in this case players have tried to take the matter directly with SE and were met with absolutely no help whatsoever, neither in-game (where they tell you to contact RL offices) nor IRL (where they tell you to open an in-game ticket).

[OldGeezer]

In a free market, a "reasonable price" is whatever price people are willing to pay. If a crafter prices an item too high, then no one will buy it, and the crafter is forced to lower the price... Would you blame Ferrari if some envious middle class man robs a bank in order to buy one of their cars? "Well, Ferrari should have priced their cars the same as a Corolla so that everyone could afford one, they're just as much at fault as the bank robber."

Except you didn't have a market yet. You had wild speculation inflated by people with illegal gil. You had people with ill-gotten gil spending millions like water, while the legitimate buyer only has around 250k from doing the storyline quests. You didn't have a market then, you do now-now that a significant part of the player base is now 50 and prices are now in psuedo-equilibrium.

Does Ferrari get a credit on their books with a purchase made with counterfeit money? The answer is no, it's a loss.

[tegrof]

I disagree.

I don't buy into the amount of "innocents" being claimed.