OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

[ApolloGenX]

I done everything up to coil 5 as sch
Then i did everything up to coil 5 as whm
Whm seems much better healer after both experiences.

People freaking love to play theory craft with sch. Yet i get dismissed for numbers. My numbers show sch is not the superior tank healer. The fight variations may bring them closer together. However the math is just there to show that sch shitty aoe heals is unjustified since they are not exactly kicking whm butt in the tank healing department.

Again, rather than compare, why not give real world data on AE damage patterns and sch ability? I think that would be a better case. Again, I am not saying that SCH is "fine" there are many fixes to the pet that need to be done. I just think that you could make a decent case for SCH without pulling whm into it.

You are just going to get a diluted conversation about whms, instead of focusing on the issue you have with the sch class. An example of this is discussion related to pet controls... which seem to have universal agreement are bad. It doesn't take any discussion of the whm to make the point that this needs addressing.

I think the SCH biggest weak spot is intermittant large AE damage patterns, where a pre-shield gets used and overcome, but then health is low and has to be healed. Further shields in the interim are wasted and it takes lots of mps and casts of succor to get the group health back up before the next round of AE damage.

This is the hole in the toolbox.

Currently, you can recast succor, rouse pet for heals, and hopefully activate pet AE heal. Again, pet controls get in the way of this execution. Is the problem that succor did a subpar job of shielding the damage? Maybe. Is it that 10 percent on SS was inadequate? Possibly. Or is it that your pet AE heal to follow your shields is unreliable, weak, and on a long CD? Well- that is my complaint.

What would happen if the pet AE heal was constantly up? At 100 potency... I think it would be nice... but nothing world shattering. It would be quicker regen for the raid... which imo would be a nice alternative to the constant pet buffs via Selene.

[sharazisspecial]

The pet regen is not 100 potency it is 66 potency. Because the faerie heals 33% less then the sch . Did u even read my post. How would a 30% uptime of a 66 potency regen even begin to bridge the gap.

[ApolloGenX]

The pet regen is not 100 potency it is 66 potency. Because the faerie heals 33% less then the sch . Did u even read my post. How would a 30% uptime of a 66 potency regen even begin to bridge the gap.

I wasn't saying that. I was saying that even if it was always up, I wouldn't see an issue with it as it's fairly weak. I told you, I am not going to obsess over whms and construct all of my suggestions in an effort to "right" some percieved massive imbalance. There are improvements that I think could be made that don't require mention of whms. Not every change the the sch class requires "because whms are SOOOO much better!" as a justification. Some things are just kind of obvious.. pets need to be fixed... the weak pet heal being up all the time... does anyone really think that would be game changing? Probably not, but it would be nice.

Is it going to make SCH required for anything? I doubt it... but it would be a nice trickle regen to the raid. If they ever plan to have a class that slowly drains its own life for some reason, it would be a great companion class. It would also be nice for passive aura damage.

[Raminax]

Is it just poor gear scaling on Eos, or what? Because after doing some testing in Artifact gear with Darklight accesories while being bored, I'd hardly say that Eos has a 33% healing loss in comparison to the Scholar himself. Adloquium would do a raw heal for 480 on an average, while Embrace would heal for 440 on an average. A 10% loss perhaps, but hardly 33%. And it's really easy to check, considering how Adloquium and Embrace have identical potencies when it comes to the raw heals. Please enlighten me.

Though I'll admit that the Scholar reeks of support healer design, rather than main healer, considering how they don't have the tools to adequately handle all types of damage.

[sharazisspecial]

Er sorry it is more like 20% reduced healing in relic and allagan/dlight mix. I assumed the reason it healed less was because it didnt benefit from the maim and mend trait of 30% boost to healing so i have absolutely no idea now why it is healing 20% lower then the sch.
naked sch with weathered book heals 149 with adloquium faerie heals 107. Which would be around 33% reduced healing.

because whms are SOOOO much better!

No fight requires a sch but coil 4 is impossibru without a whm healing the enrage ticking for 1400-1500 how does that not make whms so much better? You can beat coil with 2 whm or 1whm + 1sch but cannot beat it with 2sch

[Nuclayer]

Though I'll admit that the Scholar reeks of support healer design, rather than main healer, considering how they don't have the tools to adequately handle all types of damage.

What exactly is a support healer vs a main healer?

[Alu79]

What exactly is a support healer vs a main healer?

Healing focused utility based class is pretty much what SCH is atm, lots of noncritical utility designed to support whm's.

[sharazisspecial]

Healing focused utility based class is pretty much what SCH is atm, lots of noncritical utility designed to support whm's.

2 whm support each other well though with the regen and medica 2 stacking. also less enmity for the whm who now can heal less since they dont have to make up for the sch's craptastic aoe healing

You are right that sch has support healer utility. The problem is that its completely non essential. Whm can heal encounters fine without a sch support healer, they may even find some fights easier as double whm(titan hm,coil 2). But a sch relies on whm's aoe healing .

[ApolloGenX]

No fight requires a sch but coil 4 is impossibru without a whm healing the enrage ticking for 1400-1500 how does that not make whms so much better? You can beat coil with 2 whm or 1whm + 1sch but cannot beat it with 2sch

Then make a thread about how using 2 sch on that encounter is impossible, including fight data.

You don't have to complain about whms to prove that scholars are not functioning. You do realize these posts of yours are nothing more than complaining to get whms nerfed, right? It's obvious.

If you wanted scholars fixed, you would be addressing their issues directly, without constantly complaining about whms.

[Nuclayer]

Healing focused utility based class is pretty much what SCH is atm, lots of noncritical utility designed to support whm's.

What Utility does a SCH have that is niche or supports a WHM that another WHM does not bring or at least compensate for? In other words, what can a SCH do that no other class do that makes it worth bringing?