OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

[Burstwolf]

Math is nice and all but in a fight there are multiple variables.There are others that think two whm is stupid in coils and you need a sch.Its there gear missing inbetween coils?Can you beat coils with a sch?

[Alu79]

Math is nice and all but in a fight there are multiple variables.There are others that think two whm is stupid in coils and you need a sch.Its there gear missing inbetween coils?Can you beat coils with a sch?

The last few pages alone should have answered these questions for you let alone reading passed the first post.

[ApolloGenX]

I'm not sure how the math is even possible... whm cure 2 is 2.5 cast time, I think? That is at the most 6 in 15 seconds... assuming you have good spell speed, you could ignore the GCD... maybe but even that is not realistic. Why do you have 6.25?

That is assuming stationary hard casting. What happens if you throw any movement into the picture? I suspect the math would change significantly.

I also wonder about mana issues. Chain casting cure 2s can be costly. You could get around this with a bard, but that is out of scope of a class to class comparison. You mention sustained high damage- but I would be interested if this playstyle is truly sustainable.

TBH I think you should just drop the white mage complaints. If you are willing to give whm a bigger AE in Cure 3, then your issue isn't with whm healing- it's with scholar healing. I think there is a valid argument to be made about scholar healing without pulling the whm into it.

As I have said, fixes are certianly called for- I can't stand the pet currently... although I was having fun with Selene last night keeping skill haste and spell haste on a raid... that is significant... but the controls are terrible.

Honestly, in playing, I find that I group shield before AEs, and then my natural instinct is to follow up with a pet ability- that just isn't there... either because of lack of control, or because it's very weak or on CD. I believe the pet needs to be fixed, and AE bolstered via reduced CD on the pet ability, and possibly a small boost in potency.

They absolutely must add toggle on/off auto use of abilities.

[JonFarron]

I think you're forgetting something here.

SCH has more mobility than a WHM. The fairy can heal while the SCH is running for their lives, and SCH gets Lustrate, which you can use while moving. Also with keeping Eos on Steady, and saving Rouse+Fey Illumination, Eos easily becomes the "oh shit" button. Her healing potency is so buffed up it's almost like having a second healer. I've seen this combo completely turn a bad situation into a joke.

Also SCH's have virtually unlimited MP. I rarely ever get below half MP. I can spam pretty much everything and not have to worry about MP problems.

WHM also seems to be standing around doing nothing 75% of the time. This gets boring. *wait for dmg, heal. wait for dmg, cast stone 2, heal* YAWN! As a SCH, there's always something to be done. Putting adlo on someone that's likely to get hit next, watching Selene's buff rotation, stacking your dots on everything with Bane, moving the fairy to a new spot because the tank moved, reinstalling Adlo, sometimes throwing in a Succor. Over healing as a SCH actually has a benefit, and this is what most people don't seem to understand. You have to act before the damage. If you become one step behind, then you're playing a catch up to the WHM game, which the SCH will certainly fail at... unless you saved Rouse+Fey Illumination. Then you're safe again. Lol

While yes I agree WHM is the superior healer, SCH definitely has it's uses. It IS more of a situational class, but I like it alot better because I feel more reliable with it. I don't have to worry about conserving MP, or taking aggro and dying. I leveled a WHM first, and after playing SCH for a while, I can never go back. I played WHM for a bit yesterday, and I missed Lustrate and my Fairy so badly!

[sharazisspecial]

I'm not sure how the math is even possible... whm cure 2 is 2.5 cast time, I think? That is at the most 6 in 15 seconds... assuming you have good spell speed, you could ignore the GCD... maybe but even that is not realistic. Why do you have 6.25?

That is assuming stationary hard casting. What happens if you throw any movement into the picture? I suspect the math would change significantly. Which is close to a flash heal cast time of wow which was just fine for mobility fights.

I also wonder about mana issues. Chain casting cure 2s can be costly. You could get around this with a bard, but that is out of scope of a class to class comparison. You mention sustained high damage- but I would be interested if this playstyle is truly sustainable.

TBH I think you should just drop the white mage complaints. If you are willing to give whm a bigger AE in Cure 3, then your issue isn't with whm healing- it's with scholar healing. I think there is a valid argument to be made about scholar healing without pulling the whm into it.

As I have said, fixes are certianly called for- I can't stand the pet currently... although I was having fun with Selene last night keeping skill haste and spell haste on a raid... that is significant... but the controls are terrible.

Honestly, in playing, I find that I group shield before AEs, and then my natural instinct is to follow up with a pet ability- that just isn't there... either because of lack of control, or because it's very weak or on CD. I believe the pet needs to be fixed, and AE bolstered via reduced CD on the pet ability, and possibly a small boost in potency.

They absolutely must add toggle on/off auto use of abilities.

Cure 2 is 1.92-2second cast time do you even play whm lol? since spells always go off around 80% cast time cure 2 is more like a 1.7second cast time.

I have played both whm and sch in coil .i feel whm is superior overall. That why i am gearing my whm with mythos upgrades. Idc if SE buffs sch or not , who knows how long they will take . SE are very slow when it comes to true class balance. Even so i will have my whm for which i am doing fine with. Whm is op atm and i absolutely don't mind that i can play an op healer at all since i am not locked into 1 class.

I think you're forgetting something here.

SCH has more mobility than a WHM. The fairy can heal while the SCH is running for their lives, and SCH gets Lustrate, which you can use while moving. Also with keeping Eos on Steady, and saving Rouse+Fey Illumination, Eos easily becomes the "oh shit" button. Her healing potency is so buffed up it's almost like having a second healer. I've seen this combo completely turn a bad situation into a joke.

Also SCH's have virtually unlimited MP. I rarely ever get below half MP. I can spam pretty much everything and not have to worry about MP problems.

WHM also seems to be standing around doing nothing 75% of the time. This gets boring. *wait for dmg, heal. wait for dmg, cast stone 2, heal* YAWN! As a SCH, there's always something to be done. Putting adlo on someone that's likely to get hit next, watching Selene's buff rotation, stacking your dots on everything with Bane, moving the fairy to a new spot because the tank moved, reinstalling Adlo, sometimes throwing in a Succor. Over healing as a SCH actually has a benefit, and this is what most people don't seem to understand. You have to act before the damage. If you become one step behind, then you're playing a catch up to the WHM game, which the SCH will certainly fail at... unless you saved Rouse+Fey Illumination. Then you're safe again. Lol

While yes I agree WHM is the superior healer, SCH definitely has it's uses. It IS more of a situational class, but I like it alot better because I feel more reliable with it. I don't have to worry about conserving MP, or taking aggro and dying. I leveled a WHM first, and after playing SCH for a while, I can never go back. I played WHM for a bit yesterday, and I missed Lustrate and my Fairy so badly!

Whm Sleep, Dot aero/thunder, dps with stone2/aoe with holy
Whm can put their 30 minute duration 18% stoneskin on people, they can put regens on tanks and melee.
Whm can time their heals to heal the tank as soon as he takes damage
Whm can use virus and eye for an eye as well

Whm are just as mobile outside of lustrate. Regen(or a stacked regen+medica 2) is healing about as much as the faerie. Especially when it is divine seal. With such low cast times single target healing there is zero mobility issue in this game. Swiftcast and benediction is a good tool for when you want to be mobile. Mobility is not important in this game because the boss does his abilties in a set pattern that you can anticipate . Bosses quite often don't attack the tank when they are doing the aoe. E.g garuda, titan,coil 2 ADS, akeep boss.

Sch does not have unlimited mp when you are using lustrate , adloquium and succor.
Whm have superior hp healed per point of mana but worse mana return
Sch heal much less per mana point but have better mana return.

Normally in parties the whm is carrying the sch by healing everyone much more then the sch is. If the sch tried to aoe heal as much as the whm they would oom quite fast due to their mana inefficient aoe healing

[ApolloGenX]

I have played both whm and sch in coil .i feel whm is superior overall. That why i am gearing my whm with mythos upgrades. Idc if SE buffs sch or not i will have whm for which i am doing fine with.

Yeah, I prefer whm, too. I just like the style better and I don't like the pet controls. I really don't feel like the scholar is even a finished class yet with the pet controls so awful.

[Professor_JoJo]

if you are playing the SCH right Succor is a great spell, consider the crit heal + crit bubble (bubble is better than heals because of dmg prevention) it weights the same as Medika even better imo.

[sharazisspecial]

if you are playing the SCH right Succor is a great spell, consider the crit heal + crit bubble (bubble is better than heals because of dmg prevention) it weights the same as Medika even better imo.

Succor critical heals do not produce double shield. The shield they produced by the critical hit is equal to the hp of critical heal. Besides, relying on the current critical rate of around 25% semi geared will not even be close to guaranteed crits.

[Burstwolf]

Sorry but you left out so much you compared paper vs paper.That isn't accounting for battle and versatile.Not accounting for group sets up ,not accounting for lag,for movement.just numbers on paper not a flowing battle.As far as reading post people have done coil,Hm etc were first 50 scholar said you couldnt.

[sharazisspecial]

Sorry but you left out so much you compared paper vs paper.That isn't accounting for battle and versatile.Not accounting for group sets up ,not accounting for lag,for movement.just numbers on paper not a flowing battle.As far as reading post people have done coil,Hm etc were first 50 scholar said you couldnt.

I done everything up to coil 5 as sch
Then i did everything up to coil 5 as whm
Whm seems much better healer after both experiences.

People freaking love to play theory craft with sch. Yet i get dismissed for numbers. My numbers show sch is not the superior tank healer. The fight variations may bring them closer together. However the math is just there to show that sch shitty aoe heals is unjustified since they are not exactly kicking whm butt in the tank healing department.