WAR and Wrath: Important Mechanics Discussed.

[Duelle]

If you were around for FFXI's launch and were at all familiar with the history of BST. You'd remember a little mistake that was printed in the Brady's Strategy Guide that misinformed a good portion of the community that a BST's pet lowered the amount of experience the party got.

I was around for that, and I'll still tell you there was a faulty mechanic in the way BST was designed and balanced. First because pet levels were not normalized upon being charmed, and second because pets affecting exp gained should have never been a downside to playing as BST. If pet level had been scaled to match the master's current level upon being charmed, you wouldn't need to affect exp gained and thus saved yourself the drama as that misprint would have never happened. You can try to blame it on people being stupid, but the game's design and balance are what prompt the reactions from the populace.

MMO's used to have an exclusive community once you get to end game rather than an inclusive one.

Fixed for accuracy. Any smart developer in the post-WoW MMO industry knows that inclusive endgame yields best results in making for a happy playerbase.

This is because people are simple and rather than come up with new strategies and tactics to make the best of their group's skills they all flock towards cookie cutter methods and refuse to deviate from anything that is even remotely different.

You're heavily undervaluing player trends. Much like shit, trends roll downhill. It's a fact of life in MMOs, and instead of scoffing or ignoring it design should keep that in mind when changes are made so that it negatively affects the least number of people possible.

You're dismissing trends as a sign of mindlessness of the masses, whereas they really are an accurate measure of lacking performance.

Now if you don't have any friends or you enjoy playing with randumbs, yes... the popularity aspect of your class choice will effect your experience in the game. But soon as you surround yourself with like minded people who enjoy the same gaming principles and play styles as you do.

You mean create your own cluster instead of actively joining the community at large (or as I call it, "hide behind your friends").

[Junk4Brains]

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One. I don't need you to 'give' me anything. I don't know if you got a few people to agree with you and your little ego has gotten all swollen up or you are just naturally this arrogant. But let me remind you I don't need to prove anything to you nor do I have a desire to. I have played the game, I have done the content, and more importantly, I have enjoyed myself while doing so. I have about an ant's fart worth of care for your opinion and your oh so generous 'benefit of the doubt'. Think whatever you want but that won't stop me from enjoy the class as it is now and making the most of it.

Like I said, get that 'cool kids' logic out of your head. Just cause most groups prefer 2xPLD doesn't negate the fact that people have cleared the content with WAR as well. But I will like to add a third type of WAR to my 2 kinds. The kind that doesn't have a good party behind them. Like I said before it takes a good player to make the most of PLD but it takes a good party to make the most of WAR. Honestly once you have a great party at your back you can really let loose and get away with some stuff you couldn't otherwise.

Like my coordinating IB with my healer's stoneskin. My healer knows to looks for Thrill of Battle. I usually do this around 3/4 to 1/2 health. So by the time I've gotten stoneskin up I've already healed myself to full or near full. So that around 9k hp with the stoneskin I'm effectively sitting at just about 11k health. In which case the OP is correct. Popping Foresight increases the eHP of that 11k health and to a smaller extent so does Awareness. Featherfoot is always iffy with placement. I tend to take mine out and save it for batting 'clean up' So when Foresight wears off that is when I pop it if I really need to. Convalescence is one I don't use in that rotation, but I admit there I times where I didn't really wish I had but there were also times where I popped it and survived the phase enough to not have needed at that time.

Though I'd like to point out that outside of Convalescense, every other time when people were comparing PLD and WAR mitigation and Featherfoot, Foresight, and Awareness was brought up. Everyone was acted as if they were minor cooldowns not worth much. And now when someone wants to use them in a way where they are actually beneficial everyone is all "OMG you're blowing all of your cooldowns you are defenseless." No, you still have your self healing and self healing buffs. Though I'd space out one or two of those cooldowns. Foresight and Featherfoot you can afford to be a bit careless with. They have 90s cooldowns. Awareness and Concalescense you might want to hold on to. But normally I space them out. Soon as one wares off I'll activate another. This leaves a little room for the 'luck' factor. Sometimes I get some lucky dodges or my healers get a lucky string of crits and I find myself not really needed to use that cooldown right at that moment so I can hold off for a bit. But like I said sometimes I don't activate them and I really wish I did. Which brings me to my closing point:

Cooldowns are for the living. You can have the best cooldown ability ever but it will be as pointless as the most worthless cooldown ever if you fail to activate before you die. And given the small effect of most of WAR's cooldowns you have two choices. Use them early and space them out or use them all together. I've done both, I prefer the former but the secondary is powerful if you use it at the right time. Just don't let yourself get down to 1k exp and expect one of your cooldowns to save you.

@ Duelle

As someone who actually mained BST. I have to say people are stupid. Blaming the developers is like suing McDonalds for spilling coffee on yourself. (Just an example, I actually followed that case and that one was completely justified but just making a point.)
There had to be a trade off at the time because BST was the ONLY job that could realistically solo, but I digress. This is FFXIV....

Just wanted to say you can call it what you want but 'hiding behind friends' but I call it "having fun with a group of like minded people'.
I don't know why people try so hard to fit into groups that aren't even willing to accept them for who they are. This goes for gaming and for life. You can struggle and struggle to appease the l33tist and stroke their little e-peen until they throw you a few scraps of their acceptance. And you can keep playing with randumbs and having a hard time because everyone in the party expects you to perform like a PLD and aren't willing to adjust their playstyle to take full advantage of what a WAR has to offer. But I'm just fine... doing content... with friends... having fun.... with a class that I enjoy.... with people I actually like.

[Viridiana]

As most people aren't obvious gold buyers who allocate 30 str, my numbers are much more accurate.

Why do you say he's a gold buyer? Most of his gear was made by FC members, according to lodestone.

[Nithryok]

I am a War tank and I have completed turn 4 as a war with FRAUD FC, war's are 100% crap when it comes to main tanking turn 4, there is no way in hell you can MT 2 dreadnaughts, hell even one of them can be rough if he big hit's you follow by a auto crit. Tanking the add's is not to hard, but the healers were not fully geared and I just kited around the add's till 1 of the 2 dreadnaughts died, worked rather well.

TLDR: You cannot MT turn 4 as a war

[Gamemako]

And when it does get fixed, it'll be WAR > PLD....and topics like this become a joke...

That certainly can happen (and as I understand, it did with 1.0 WAR dominance to 2.0 PLD dominance), but it isn't necessarily true. The goal is to design such that both are useful, viable jobs. WAR does not need a huge overhaul in order to be balanced. A few decent tweaks would do wonders.

As most people aren't obvious gold buyers who allocate 30 str, my numbers are much more accurate.

Even if Kunkka were, it still wouldn't matter. The reported amount of drain is correct for the gear, and the gear is obtainable. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here in the first place, other than just accusing someone of cheating.

[Kestiel]

Looking forward to a T4 WAR MT video, hopefully before so many myth resets happen that everybody's decked out in full AF2/Hero's. WAR can OT, we've seen it and there are several groups that do it, but I've yet to see one MT. And I think that's what most people are hoping to see from the people who posit that WAR is fine and not in need of any changes.

[Taemek]

Honestly this really had more to do with player ignorance and 'bestism' than it did back mechanics and gimmicks. If you were around for FFXI's launch and were at all familiar with the history of BST. You'd remember a little mistake that was printed in the Brady's Strategy Guide that misinformed a good portion of the community that a BST's pet lowered the amount of experience the party got. It wasn't entirely wrong, if a BST charmed a pet that was HIGHER than the level of the part yes it would effect group exp but other than that the party's exp was uneffected. This little misprint was corrected in a few months but as someone who mained BST all the way up until the Aht Urhgan content came out it was years and years after this little mishap correct and people where STILL all "OMG if you don't kick the BST from the party then I'm going to leave... his pet will steal our EXP!"

The lesson here and with most MMO's is probably the most important thing I learned in High School Algebra class... and it had nothing to do with math. It was a poster on the wall that read: "A person can be smart but people will ALWAYS be stupid."

Which brings me to the second point. Bestism.
MMO's do have an exclusive community once you get to end game rather than an inclusive one. This is because people are simple and rather than come up with new strategies and tactics to make the best of their group's skills they all flock towards cookie cutter methods and refuse to deviate from anything that is even remotely different. This is two fold, you have your l33t players who are really just a bunch of narrow-minded players who think the best way is the ONLY way to play. In this group there are maybe all of 5% who truly understand why the better classes are really better and the rest who just parrot what they do with a few deviations here and there. And then you have the bandwagon players who really don't care about testing things out themselves but are more than happy to do what the 'cool kids' are doing. So if all the cool kids are all loldrg, the bandwagonners are going to be loldrg and not even know why drg is so lol to the cool kids.

But in every game people act like min/maxers and l33tist make up the entirety of end-game content. And this is where my quote comes from above about the squeaky wheel getting the greasy. These kinds of players make up a shockingly small percentage of the player base. But they are also the most vocal group. But I assure you for every one person that is on here QQ'ing about WAR there is at least a dozen that can't even be bothered to come on to forums because they are having too much fun with the class they are playing. Now if you don't have any friends or you enjoy playing with randumbs, yes... the popularity aspect of your class choice will effect your experience in the game. But soon as you surround yourself with like minded people who enjoy the same gaming principles and play styles as you do. Well all of the above becomes a moot point as you don't have to work to appease the dumbasses but just focus purely on clearing content.

I don't judge a class by how popular it is.
I don't judge a class by what OTHER people think of it.
I only judge a class by two criteria:
"Can I clear content?" and "Is it fun?"

I don't care if another class can do it better. To repeat myself JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS THE BEST/BETTER OPTION DOESN'T MAKE IT THE ONLY OPTION. As long as I can get through content and have fun, that is all I really need out of a class. And I get that with WAR, if you don't maybe you should stop QQ and just play another class.

Brillant post Junk, perfectly said and people need to take note of this post.

[antiviolence]

Brillant post Junk, perfectly said and people need to take note of this post.

Hey Taemek... still waiting for you to post on your 'alt'.. or your 'main'..
Unless you were lying then..

[Kunkka]

As most people aren't obvious gold buyers who allocate 30 str, my numbers are much more accurate.

Just because someone took the time to understand what BiS is and got it before you doesn't mean they are a gold buyer. 30 vit does nothing significant for a warrior with good gear. Warrior is a tank about doing damage. Raw HP does nothing for warrior besides give your healers more of a cushion. I have amazing healers(our WHM solo heals titan HM) so this isn't needed. If that was my goal, I'd simply play PLD and take the extra mitigation as well.

Here's your screenshot. Higher numbers are usually seen as I party with a melee dps.
http://i.imgur.com/8sniBv1.jpg

[oceanlord]

Brillant post Junk, perfectly said and people need to take note of this post.

why did you run away from your bullshit?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...arrior-Threads