OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

[Vyserion]

I don't feel like Succor really needs a buff, although I will admit that comparatively, Medica is much much more useful 90% of the time you need an AoE heal. A slight buff is okay, but having played both SCH and WHM at 50 I can say that I feel like SCH is close to being fine. Our only problem: Pet control.

Let us toggle auto-casts on and off and let us activate faerie abilities while we're casting and we will be golden.

[Alu79]

Reposting my suggestion for Succor for those that only read first post and assume SCH want that nutty aoe suggestion that op posted.

Succor doesn't need a potency buff, but rather a mechanical change. Succor could remain at its current 150 potency heal/shield and work fine if they did something like the next Succor cast on a target that is shielded (from a succor spell) to consume the shield and add the shield value to the new succor's healing that is being cast. In other words say I cast succor and it heals for 200 and shields for 200, casting another succor on a target that has a succor shield up consumes the shield and adds that 200 point shield to the new succors healing to make it look like 200h/200s -> 400h/200s. That would give us the AoE heal we so desperately need while remain unique and different from a WHM.

Pets fixes like toggles for pets skills, pet macros and (imo) my suggestion for Succor would fix us up w/o making us op.

[ApolloGenX]

No, that would make succor too good. Fix pet ui and reduce pet ae heal cd. Precasting succor that turns into medica is better than medica.

After pet is fixed evaluate at that point.

[sharazisspecial]

No, that would make succor too good. Fix pet ui and reduce pet ae heal cd. Precasting succor that turns into medica is better than medica.

After pet is fixed evaluate at that point.

Whm is currently a better tank healer then sch . So there is zero reason for sch to be so awful at aoe healing. I really don't think a 20 second duration/60second cooldown 66 potency regen will even begin bridge the gap. The faerie heals 33% less then the sch would if the sch had the spell.

2 sch should be able to heal any encounter if 2 whm can also do so. Currently 2 whm can do any encounter (even some encounters easier) 2 sch would never be able complete turn 4 currently due to how awul their aoe hp healing potency is.

They should allow sch to be able to put out 300 potency per gcd to be equal to whm medica some how.
Whether this be via pet ,succor mechanical change or ability interaction.
Then SE could change cure 3 somehow to compensate whm a little.

If any whm disagree that sch should be decent aoe healers. Then certainly you all agree that whm tank healing should nerfed severely? Because sch is a much worse aoe healer why should they also have much lower tank healing potency too? Why should every party always have 1 whm to succeed but the extra sch is optional and the double sch is suicide.

Tank healing in 15 seconds
sch
1200+1800+800 = 3800 potency/4280 with rouse/4560 with fey illumination
5 embrace +3 adlo+2physick
whm.
750 + 3900 = 4650 potency /6045 with divine seal/5625 with prescene of mind
regen ticks + 6 cure2
Whm can pop a mind pot too. Sch faerie is not affected by mind pots

Sch has no niche atm . Whm 30 min duration stoneskin 18% is better for absorption then adlo in certain situations. Whm tank healing is better due to higher base potency and whm shorter potency booster cooldowns. Whm heal more then twice the aoe hp of sch. Sch heal much less hp per mana point and forced to lustrate so they run oom as well.

Another thing to consider is that whm work better with the current battle system. Sch has many "off gcd" that they need to press. But to do so they need to wait 1-1.5seconds between each one. Thus they spend more time doing nothing and need to delay healing more.
E.g faerie gcd is 3 second. To be able to command it sch must not be in any animation at the time. Otherwise the command will not go through. So quite often a sch wastes extra time not healing to try and command the faerie. Aetherflow and lustrate are also equally clunky. SE have said this is working as intended.

[ApolloGenX]

I disagree that whm is better tank healer. They could probably buff fairy ae heal a bit. Pets should also be immune to ae damage.

Part of pet fix includes macro able pet abilities, and giving commands while casting, imo

I do think it would be fine to buff succor in the way you describe if they increased the range on cure 3 to a much larger area. My concern is that all healing could be op.

Edit: you did leave off potential damage reduction via ss and healing boost from rouse in your calculation. I'm also curious how lustrate is compared, since it is instant and scales.

[sharazisspecial]

I disagree that whm is better tank healer. They could probably buff fairy ae heal a bit. Pets should also be immune to ae damage.

Part of pet fix includes macro able pet abilities, and giving commands while casting, imo

Whm is mathematically the better tank healer. There is no disagreeing with mathematical facts.Try for yourself as a whm and a sch in coil 4 healing the dreadtank . You will see yourself how superior whm is as a tank healer. How their higher potency means they never fall behind like sch does.

Whm can pop cooldowns and brute force heal times where the tank damage is higher. Sch have much weaker brute force healing options. So once the tank starts needing say 5000 potency every 15 seconds. Sch falls behind because they cant reach that consistently like whm does.

Why would you think they would let us command while casting? Do you not see the massive thread complaining about clunky non-instant offgcd abilties and the fact we cannot use "instant" abilties together. How SE said it is working as intended. Which means we will never be able to do 2 things at once. Commanding faerie is like using 2 off gcd at once. Why would se working as intended and backtrack and let sch be the only class that can do 2 things at once?

Apollo do you think its fair that for double sch alot of encounters are mathematically impossible such as turn 4. But for double whm they can do any encounter fine?

Anyways i want them to give sch 300 potency per gcd . Then they either buff or change cure 3 into something that boosts whm healing. I have invested too much into my whm so i want them to remain best healer lol. But as someone who has done coil as both sch and whm i can see the difference. I have a sch as part of my raid i want them to be buffed so all the responsibility is not always on me since whm tools are better .

[ApolloGenX]

Whm is mathematically the better tank healer. There is no disagreeing with mathematical facts.Try for yourself as a whm and a sch in coil 4 healing the dreadtank . You will see yourself how superior whm is as a tank healer. How their higher potency means they never fall behind like sch does.

Firstly, are you not using lustrate for tank healing? If not why not? Your math doesn't show all of your tools, and I definitely use lustrate for when I get behind on the tank. Rouse is a CD you can pop along with SS.

Secondly, if SE said they wouldn't let people do 2 things at once, that is BS... since the fairy is part of SCH character and power is split, I would call that a design flaw.

Thirdly, I am not opposed to improving SCH group heals, but the pet control is so awful right now, I think that has to be fixed first, before evaluating further changes. Quite frankly, I really dislike the pet. REALLY dislike it. Im not sure why it doesn't show, but I took your advice and leveled a SCH to 50 and have been playing it in higher end content. My primary gripes are exactly what I expected- total junk for pet control. It's hard to even tell where the class is when half of it is junk.

[sharazisspecial]

If you count lustrate you must count benediction too and the fact whm use mind pots way better then sch. Lustrate is a limited tool that once gone has a cooldown before it can used again. Rouse is awful btw. The faerie heals 33% less then sch would with same potency so rouse just brings up to what it should heal in the first place.

[ApolloGenX]

If you count lustrate you count benediction too and the fact whm use mind pots way better then sch. Lustrate is a limited tool that once gone has a cooldown before it can used again.

You should count benediction, imo. It's an important whm tool. The reuse on it, however makes it much more limited than lustrate as a reliable method of healing a tank.

[sharazisspecial]

You should count benediction, imo. It's an important whm tool. The reuse on it, however makes it much more limited than lustrate as a reliable method of healing a tank.

Swiftcast cure 2/medica2 is also something whm has over Sch . Who cant use swiftcast to boost their healing as well. The difference between whm and sch tank healing is that sch is forced to use lustrate to keep up due to their much lower healing potency. But the whm is free to save benediction because they wont fall behind in tank healing unless they screw up somehow.

Due to the sch reliance on faerie ai. Who may mess up and heal a random target and not be available for use to heal tank. Sch will have more times where they fall behind/ have lower potency. More opportunities to mess up, also times where they "waste" lustrate. Heaven forbid the faerie dies lol.