gametime for many expires tomorrow is it really worth subbing?

[RykerSteel]

Crafting isn't too bad, but gathering is extremely monotonous and boring. Fishing is boring just like in any other MMO. Sit there patiently, wait for a sound, then press a button. So innovative. Sidequests? What's the point when you're 50? That seems to be what you were implying. He could level alternate jobs, but leveling alternate jobs without all the side quests or the main story quests is a horrendous and boring grind.

He should stop to help lower level people? Help them do what, exactly? There's nothing challenging from 1-50. What help would they need exactly? Crafted items? They're horrible and a complete waste of time. Social aspect? Yeah it can be helpful, but it's not going to make a bad game fun. Role playing? Not everyone enjoys role playing, in fact I'd go as far to say that most of the MMO audience doesn't role play. Grinding for gil? In what way? That leads right back to gathering and crafting. Some may not find that fun. Playing the market? Why, so I can be banned later for no reason?

People who have problems finding the endgame boring with their DoW/DoM jobs have every right to be upset. There is another side to MMOs, but some people don't like it. That's why there are OPTIONS. There's supposed to be something for everyone. Unfortunately, the DoW and DoM endgame is one of the worst endgames I've seen in a long time.

Great post. Thanks for dismantling the naysayers go-to and misguided talking points.

[Dorfentyme]

@Dorfentyme: I hate gathering, it's really boring and very annoying... but fishing, in this game, is really amazing. I love it.

Mind elaborating what it is you enjoy about it? I'd really like to know, maybe I'm missing something? O_O

[Agamemnon]

This thread already give lot of good points to help you decide about it: Subscription deadline is coming up and the question is: will you subscribe?

At this point I have only one question to be answered and help me decide if I want or not sub: I want to support Square Enix and their developers to continue their work?

That's it, after sub the only thing you can do is believe that Square Enix will do a good work with the game. Otherwise you can stay not subbing and wait game have more content.

[Fuz]

Mind elaborating what it is you enjoy about it? I'd really like to know, maybe I'm missing something? O_O

Little details, mostly.
The fishing log, the different types of lures and fishes you get with them and the variety of the fishing spots, the challenge in mooching and double mooching... it's also not too hard to level up and the leves for it pay well in term of xp and aren't a waste of time (like for mining and botany), also you can complete them before accepting the leve itself.
Sometims I find myself exping one of my DoW/DoM class, pass by a river/lake/cliff and think "oh cool, let's make a little pause". Then I can cast, alt-tab and browse the internet and get back when I hear the sound. Wich makes it not deadly boring like botany and mining.
For me, it's really great. Especially comparing it to other MMOs fishing.
My only complaint about fishing is that it doesn't pay well at all. You will never make money with fishing... seems that to make money you have to be bored.

[Accolades]

Well my sub doesn't renew tomorrow but I will get billed the 2nd time in a couple weeks so yes.

[Evilchakra]

not subbing any further because:

1. Cleared Turn 1 through 4 in less than 2 hours in Coil with only one wipe (due to serverside LAG), brand new FC attempting it.
2. The first time leveling to 50 was great, the next two jobs to 50 was... FATE FATE FATE. Very boring. Yes other stuff to do but only a select few dilly dally lvl 1-49 with side dungeons. Most others would like to get to 50 and play endgame. Hunting Logs don't give you much and waste time/teleport money compared to the EXP gained from FATE with 50% exp bonus.
3. ENDLESS grinding of the same instance over and over. AK runs, CM runs. Every mmo has grinding but my god is it that hard to just give the primal battles a few myth more tombs? The amount of time required to grind is stupid not to mention Extremely boring.
4. Horrible players. Yes people are new, I am one of the few who actually don't say anything to them when they are in my group playing terrible, i would just carry them and explain shit. But my god, is it really that hard to move out of huge red circles on the ground? Especially after the 3rd, 4th, 5th time wiping? Every boss fight at endgame has pretty much the same mechanics. Watch your feet, adjust your camera, dps adds, stay out of the front and back of the boss. Even with the use of macros and /yell commands stating what abilities come next, people will still just be lazy and die so they are carried.
5. These forums: I can't stand how the mods respond to posts about character creation and such, instead of major in-game issues. BETA was WAY better with professional responses. Who cares what you look like when the game is so incredibly stale and boring after your first 50. Pay attention to the 100+ pages and +1000 Likes on important issues/bugs!!
6. Random things in-game that FF14 developers should have told players about in a tutorial or somewhere else. For example: Switching grand companies - 30 day cooldown. Would be nice to know that before you do it. Oh and not to mention lvl 55 crafted gear completely owns a lot of the Darklight gear. But wait, be careful buying from certain people you might get banned, be careful crafting those items you might be banned.... your kidding right? I feel bad for a lot of those players I guarantee most of them did nothing wrong but just loved to make money. Sell Titan Runs? Go ahead at least those people buying it don't have to wipe endlessly for weeks with idiots who /shout IM EXPERIENCED ON PHASE 3, then die to landslides before heart phase, or deal with 2 tanks Duty finder queues....really? Whats the other tank there for, moral support? Wait a minute, on that note, most fights endgame don't even need 2 tanks but Duty finder thinks so ....+20-30min to the runs. A half DL-geared paladin can rip through CM by himself with 2 heals and dps with no issues, no 2nd tank needed. Even Ifrit HM the PLD can shield bash the Eruption ability just by knowing the Bosses scripted rotation.
7. Having BRD be top DPS. Should I even have to explain this one? 480DPS burst with 300-320DPS over a 5-10min fight - the ability to move freely while casting and have mana battery song for everyone else. Just OP. Poor Warriors... wait whats a warrior I don't see any of them really at endgame raiding. Why would you even bring one of them to coil - give them some sort of interrupt on a small cooldown.
8. Gold sellers / RMT - How did all those people get banned yet I have 140 on my blacklist and adding about 5 a day whenever i stop by a major city. I even get in-game mails from them - at least they are saying 'sorry to bother' now before they give the sales pitch. Moving on up i guess. SE your gonna have to increase the 200 limit btw on blacklist.
9. Duty finder - where do i even start? Titan DF que'n with 2 tanks? Really? 140minute queues on Monday-Wednesday night and sometimes sundays for DPS. Meanwhile idiots who insta-que as Tank can just leave the zone wait 15minutes and go again. And why isn't relic quest monsters included in Duty finder -Chimera/hyrda?
10. The BS that led up to release. All these promises given about keeping the community up-to-date with issues. Yeah right. Like i said before, we get responses to things no one that I know cares about. I must not know that many people or something?


Bottom Line - I did sub for 90 days, which blows, because this game really sucks once you realize there is nothing at 50 to do besides the same instance over and over. At least make it so if you change jobs on your character you can re-enter Coil or something?

Don't get me wrong, I did like the game before. And yes, I am angry, and its because i REALLY liked this game in BETA and i really was on Yoshi/SE side and defended it against my friends who said it would suck. The forums are meant for bitching and hopefully some of you understand im more frustrated there is nothing to do but the same old shit over and over. But now there is nothing to defend against. The game is pretty crappy imo and VERY boring. There is nothing else out to play so yes you'll catch me online Mondays if it isn't laggy for one or two hours clearing all the content available to us.

For the OP its all about if you want to play or not. Take some notes from the people who are upset, there is a reason why they are. Maybe you don't fancy end-game stuff you like leveling, for me though I'll wait in hopes the game completely changes in the future to a real solid MMO i've been looking for.

[Leowilde]

*Skipped pages*

You know, OP - in the end, it comes down to wether you enjoy the game enough to pay for it, or not. If you don't, then just freeze the account until the patch arrives, then reactivate. And if you do enjoy it, just keep playing and paying. ^^

[Lux_Rayna]

Rule of thumb:

Never sub to anything on launch, unless you are just a really big fan of the game. No MMO in the history of MMO's has had much to do within the first few months of its launch. Endgame is always sparse, there are still a lot of things to hammer out, and polish is lacking. The opening phase is really for the hardcore fans that want to be there from the beginning.

A good time to join an MMO is the first content update, so in this case 2.1. But honestly it takes an MMO a good year to really get its polish and content going.

[Rushx]

some really nice posts , ive decided against subbing, even though i want to stay if only to play with some of the friends i made in my fc but thats just not good enough reason to sub, sucks really but maybe its a good thing too , its been about 10 years since i had no mmorpgs to play maybe its time for a break anyway ill be on ps4 alot next month anyway

[sasakusaku]

No MMO in the history of MMO's has had much to do within the first few months of its launch.

This is not entirely true....Rift and GW2 of recent both had much to do for 'end game'. Rift I played for over year, they had many true level 50 dungeons with HM versions + 2 big raids + 2x true level 50 zones with content for level capped players to muck with + raid rifts + fully realized PvP with multiple venues to play in. GW2 had the same things except raids which (imo) was made up for the awesome WvWvW. All this on launchs of both games, not years later. Rift did well for about a year (I blame swtor for the decline) and GW2 is still going strong...heck, even SWToR had more end game than FF 14....which is sad, at least I had Huttball to play.

Here we get 1 dungeon, 1 raid, and no PvP. Call me underwhelmed.....

Saying that no MMO ever has had much end game content on launch tells me you have not played to many MMOs if at all.