Do you think bard desired a nerfing soon.

[NeonC]

Well that is the players problem not the class, the last 10 runs of AK I've done it's been the tank telling sum/blm that they need quelling strikes. While I patiently wait for him to get enmity then attack accordingly.

[Kroktar]

Never said Bard DPS was low, but from my experience, it's on par if a bit lower than the rest of the melee. For my own personal anecdotal evidence since we're on that subject, as my FC gears up with 5 groups clearing turns 1-4 on a weekly basis, we're seeing Bard DPS slowing their scaling and seeing Dragoon and Monk scale higher. It's kind of worrisome to be honest with you, if Bard doesn't scale as well, they're going to fall behind pretty fast when the next BC instance is released with higher gear levels. I think it's because for one, the base damage on their +1 relic weapon is not nearly as high as on other DPS. Their highest potency attack is 150. Until you get Misery's End then it's 190.

Same but people still dont see this

[traja]

Unfortunately anecdotal evidence when it comes to DPS is not evidence at all. The variance from player to player is far too great for any single person to experience enough to form a statistically significant database. And even if you did manage it you need to write down the results because memory is incredibly unreliable. But really it's not even the issue, bard doesn't have to be the highest parsing dps to be op as a class.

[Kroktar]

Unfortunately anecdotal evidence when it comes to DPS is not evidence at all. The variance from player to player is far too great for any single person to experience enough to form a statistically significant database. And even if you did manage it you need to write down the results because memory is incredibly unreliable. But really it's not even the issue, bard doesn't have to be the highest parsing dps to be op as a class.

it is a fact...People its getting more geared...relic+1/allagan/af2 and the numbers are changing on parser.

[traja]

it is a fact...People its getting more geared...relic+1/allagan/af2 and the numbers are changing on parser.

It could very well be and it wouldn't surprise me in the least. But I don't know if it is and neither do you unless you have a source that is more than your personal parses. Now if you really do have more substantial statistics available then please provide them. After that I will agree that it is very likely to be true.

[Leon_Stormrage]

ill have bard monk pally warrior blackmage all lvl 50
all can i say bard should be nerfed coz of mobility and monks and blm should be buffed.
bard = support class not dps.

I understand that bards are OP for the mobility, but you know how we are clasified in Duty finder? ... Yes as a DPS class, here is not a support class onle Tank/Healer/Dps

[Luso]

Same but people still dont see this

Most people don't see this because they are still playing intro-game bard. Bards hit their peak fast compared to the other classes, and then their growth slows down as other classes accumulate their gear.

(By no way am I saying bard dps is bad. Bard dps is great, but other classes can match or beat it too.)

However, the plus side is our support spells. Using Foe Requiem effectiviely can turn Summoner, Blackmage, Whitemage, and Scholar into beasts. (Essentially increasing all their spell damage by +(15%-30%) (battle shout+Foe Requiem).

I've been testing Foe Requiem with all the casters and it has a significant effect on their spells. The tool tip on Foe Requiem is wrong and it still does boost non-elemental [un-aspected] spells (couple spells excluded). The downside is, Bard spells and other melee spells that say they have elemental damage are not effected by Foe Requiem.

There was a thread on here the other day that had more results that other players have done and results were very similar.

In short, late game we can see bards support role really shine when we start buffing our geared mages to blow up targets.

[Thotor]

Requiem does not work for SMN/SCH. This has been tested already.

[Luso]

Requiem does not work for SMN/SCH. This has been tested already.

I thought so too until I ran a few tests myself. Used Scholar, Summoner, and Blackmage. Had each of them use dots and spells by themselves. With Foe off, on, and Battle Shouted. Saw an increase on most spells for each class. It worked with Summoner and Scholar. The tool tip for requim says only elemental, but it's working differently. Maybe a bug?

Also, targets we used were: Target Dummies, AK Gargoyle, AK wall boss, and AK Final boss. We tried all three methods I stated above on each target.

Similar results from other players too.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...hanics-Testing

[Sterob]

From what i've seen, its usually Brd in a team constantly pulling Agro off the tank, causing wipes and death.

They have way too much damage compared to mnk and dgn and the only thing i seem to like about Brd is the Mana regen, which most never use as it gives them a damage reduction, then wonder why they are getting killed when i'm not healing them due to mana shortages..

They also seem to stand miles away from the team and wonder why they get no heals.

brd pulling agro is not because of the dps amount but how this game threat calculate. The first few hit that pull mob will grant a substantial amount of agro which is even on par with flash. You can try pull mob with stone then aero and see how tank cant get agro from you.

Except from Coil or Titan HM if you need mana to heal, you suck.