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  1. #11
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    Sepix's Avatar
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    Lumoria Minahgo
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    Banning them immediately doesn't solve anything.

    The reason why you see them there for longer periods of time is the fact that you need to dissect their methods first, then do something against it and THEN ban them. You need to hit them on the larger scale not just ban every bot individually because that is a lost battle. You need to research how they do what they do and the best way to do that is to let them do it.
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    Valado Vulado
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sepix View Post
    You need to research how they do what they do and the best way to do that is to let them do it.
    They do it because the client has no sanity checking in regards to position data. Meaning that a hacked client can send the server any position it wants and the server immediately accepts the position information as valid even if the new position is a long distance away from their previous one. This issue exists because SE was lazy when coding their game. This issue exists because SE decided to base a very significant portion of crafting on either crystal shards that require repetitive gathering, or mobs that have only a few spawning locations. This issue exists because SE couldn't be bothered to add in some safety measure such as limiting the amount of drops or resources from a given area on the off-chance that someone would willingly farm these things for more than 3-4 hours if given the option.

    It doesn't take very much research.

    Also, since the number of accounts is finite since banned accounts cannot be re-used (unlike with a F2P service), they could quite easily just start banning these users and make a considerable dent in the RMT trade as these bot accounts would no longer be generating the money needed to pay for both these accounts as well as any others up the RMT ladder.

    They could probably interrupt it just by preventing China based IPs from accessing NA/EU servers like many other games have done.
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  3. #13
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    Tear Grant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagrant-0 View Post
    Also, since the number of accounts is finite since banned accounts cannot be re-used (unlike with a F2P service), they could quite easily just start banning these users and make a considerable dent in the RMT trade as these bot accounts would no longer be generating the money needed to pay for both these accounts as well as any others up the RMT ladder.
    Well they are doing that, maybe not fast enough, but the last report said they had banned around 7k accounts in the past month.
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    Eros Maxima
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    It's actually a little surprising that it didn't become a lot more popular sooner. They've only really been at it for the last... 2 weeks? The same position hack has been present since the game launched. I'm assuming it's the same one that existed in 1.0 and FFXI too though, just based on the nature of mob detection in this game.
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  5. #15
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    Austen Bloodspatter
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    Omega
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyouko View Post
    Monks seems to be able to teleport with their attacks, gotta love it
    Not just monks. i seen CNJ do it too. she teleport around between all diremites on the map; Teleport on top of mob, and Aero for instant claim.
    Yesterday i even saw 2 ppl teleport there, so duno if that was teleport-hack party
    But watching them live...it's just ridiculous. Even when i try with archer, it's hard to claim mobs. These teleporters just pop up, and instant-claim, so you cant get anything.
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  6. #16
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    Musou Mugen
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    Odin
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    Well, the other day someone linked some forum where ppl were LFG for others with teleport hack to run dungeons. Pro coding SE, pro. Or at least pro work banning all the scum...o wait, you have STF, they observe while the gathering economy gets shredded by bots...pro. If you gonna do monthly ban waves it's lolworthy, in one month you can level/gather so much it's not even funny.
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    Glacial Whisperwind
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    You know that puts people like me who want to farm shards to get gil out of business... I have 163k and I want a big house!
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    Carmina Gadelica
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    did you know if you open trade with them while they are engaged to a mob, they stop attacking and let the mob kill them? also they don't release just a tip!
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    Krell Ynjynor
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    SE server team is really dumb. this takes about 4 instructions to detect on the server
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    Rhynne Redfern
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagrant-0 View Post
    They do it because the client has no sanity checking in regards to position data.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRac25 View Post
    SE server team is really dumb. this takes about 4 instructions to detect on the server
    Yeah, this kind of stuff is exactly what SE need - Armchair experts with no actual idea what they're talking about making vague suppositions. Really helpful......
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