Yoshi P talks about Warriors- from Producer Letter Live @ TGS

[Kluya15]

Whatever your answer is, guess what? It will be wrong, because currently WAR doesn't do anything better than PAL. The problem isn't the design, it's the numbers being way too low on pretty much everything.

It's PLD, not PAL. This shows how little you know about tanks in ARR! ;D

[Leiron]

I liked your post, Sword.

Course you do, you agree with him.

That's what I've been noticing too. I called for people to post their builds and parses

DPS parses are meaningless, and it was explained that going all strength barely increased your damage to the point of it being wothwhile.
The only argument that can be made is strengthening inner beast, even then, you can't make it strong enough to cover the massive boss damage
The rest of your post is just nonsense.

[konflikti]

It pretty much is moot though, you can compare WAR/PLD gear to any DD and it's comparable in stats, the secondary stats might be a little different but they're tailored a bit more to that jobs sepecific function. Even the Sword and Shields (stat wise) were divided to 2:1 ratio to keep PLD's from being ahead of WAR's and other jobs statistically. The only distinctive advantage PLD has over WAR or any DD gear wise is just having the secondary ability to block with the shield.

I don't get you people. How can you say itemization is moot, if you got two tanking classes and the other gets more passive mitigation from their gear than the other? If you want to make comparison to DPS classes, it would be equivalent to Dragoon having off-hand that doubled their chance to crit, while still getting the same amount of stats from their weapons as everyone else. It is net gain, something that is in no way compensated in WAR gear. You say it yourself, "distinctive advantage", yet still claim it is moot. To claim that this is moot is denying hard facts.

[Ninjiitstu]

DPS parses are meaningless, and it was explained that going all strength barely increased your damage to the point of it being wothwhile.
The only argument that can be made is strengthening inner beast, even then, you can't make it strong enough to cover the massive boss damage
The rest of your post is just nonsense.

That isn't true. To simply STR: 3 STR = 1 Damage. Adding 30 STR is 10 damage, which a average Bravura auto attack is around 120~. 10 damage is roughly 8%. That is with Bravura standard. STR becomes better with Bravura +1, as well.

The max strength you can get is 465 without a potion(545 with a pot for 15s). For most of us, that is around 40 extra damage, or a increase of 32%.

This is all multiplied by Berserk, Maim, and Storms Eye, Critical Hits, ETC.

You wouldn't be a tank anymore, but to say its worthless is just completely false.

[Leiron]

You wouldn't be a tank anymore, but to say its worthless is just completely false.

You are establishing yourself as someone who argues for the sake of arguing and not because there is something to argue. We were referencing from a TANK view. So your entire post? A waste of time.
Parses are worthless. You do not need to do a parse for Warriors.
Why? Your DPS is piss poor, it contributes little to nothing in long term, which is...everything.
This isn't a game like WoW or RIFT where a Tank can do some nasty DPS comparable to a DPS. If that is what you have in mind, wipe it out.

Str allocating= worthless. It does not affect the damage of your Inner beast nearly enough to make it worthwhile and it detracts from your HP too greatly.

Damage from bosses scales MUCH faster than the 300% heal from IB.
To suggest otherwise is false, so even if we assumed Warriors are fine currently, as the content becomes more and more difficult, Inner Beast becomes weaker and weaker.
DPS parsing is worthless and Warriors are behind.

[SwordCoheir]

I don't get you people.

And yet despite sharing the same attributes and the same purpose, they in no way funtion in the same manner. PLD works proactively utilizing a shield and abilities to help mitigate damage which makes sense, WAR's reactively heal damage to lessen the healers strain and has effective workarounds to defiances damage penalties where PLD doesn't. The WAR's self heal capability needs a bit of work I admit after playing around on it a little, but that comes from it's own job design and potency factors and not from gear which effectively is the same for all classes stat wise. And really it's not all that exclusive to PLDs as mages can wear them in the same manner as well.

[Ninjiitstu]

We were referencing from a TANK view.

No, we are referencing Warriors. Hence the OP title. It was your assumption of tank, not the other way around.

Why? Your DPS is piss poor, it contributes little to nothing in long term, which is...everything.

DPS parsing is worthless and Warriors are behind.

1: Having 250~ish DPS is not piss poor. That is just about the top end of what everyone else can do.
2: DPS Parsing is not worthless. It has plenty of valuable information.
3: Why are you leveling a warrior then, kiddo? Your level 36. You have a 50 PLD. Shocker there, btw.

[Leiron]

No, we are referencing Warriors. Hence the OP title. It was your assumption of tank, not the other way around.

You're not smart, you're not witty, you're not impressing anyone, you're a fool.
You know what's witty, asking you what role Warrior's fulfill. Take your time, I know you're a bit slower than most.

1: Having 250~ish DPS is not piss poor. That is just about the top end of what everyone else can do.

I laughed.

2: DPS Parsing is not worthless. It has plenty of valuable information.

DPS parsing worthless for tanks? Yes.

3: Why are you leveling a warrior then, kiddo? Your level 36. You have a 50 PLD. Shocker there, btw.

The job that I play is completely irrelevant towards my opinions, quit being desperate because you cannot articulate a proper argument to save your life.
Warrior was my original job though if you must know.

[chumsy]

dont WAR's hit harder than PLD making them essentially another DPS with tanking abilities, of course there has to be some sacrifice to the amount of dmg they can reduce.

[Ninjiitstu]

The job that I play is completely irrelevant towards my opinions, quit being desperate because you cannot articulate a proper argument to save your life.
Warrior was my original job though if you must know.

I cannot articulate a argument? All you have said is X is worthless, or I laughed. You have not argued anything. You gave your opinion, which is wrong and has no basis of fact behind it. You are level 36. You don't know what its like. You also haven't set foot in Coils. Not exactly a whole lot of reason to take your opinion, now is there?