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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennica View Post
    I didn't know RMT was illegal sorry.
    Sorry for my sarcastic reply. But yes, Selling virtual currency for real life money is illegal and goes against the TOS and EULA we ALL agree to upon playing the game. I don't fault you for not reading it, no one does. But it is there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood View Post
    Sorry for my sarcastic reply. But yes, Selling virtual currency for real life money is illegal and goes against the TOS and EULA we ALL agree to upon playing the game. I don't fault you for not reading it, no one does. But it is there.
    There is no law in any country that i know of that makes it illegal to purchase virtual currency with real currency. There is a rule against it in the TOS. Illegal, and breaking a TOS are two separate things. Lol. Also, to people comparing Gil sellers to drug dealers? Just lmao.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laryndra View Post
    There is no law in any country that i know of that makes it illegal to purchase virtual currency with real currency. There is a rule against it in the TOS. Illegal, and breaking a TOS are two separate things. Lol. Also, to people comparing Gil sellers to drug dealers? Just lmao.
    intellectual property laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanabira View Post
    intellectual property laws.
    Please, quote any case in which any person has been sued or placed in jail for buying or selling virtual currency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laryndra View Post
    Please, quote any case in which any person has been sued or placed in jail for buying or selling virtual currency.
    i didnt say there were cases.. its like jaywalking.. its illegal, but you dont see anyone getting tickets for it. you ARE selling someones intellectual property, the simple solution is to just ban them, if its too widespread they can move forward if they want with getting the accounts frozen. and if they persist, they'll likely sue them.

    edit: i found this to be thorough

    http://www.curse.com/news/world-of-w...s-using-paypal
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    Last edited by Hanabira; 10-04-2013 at 03:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laryndra View Post
    Please, quote any case in which any person has been sued or placed in jail for buying or selling virtual currency.
    They don't need a quote. Read up intellectual property law. It's illegal to profit off of someone else's property w/o permission. Whether or not you believe Hanabira isn't their problem, it's yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laryndra View Post
    Please, quote any case in which any person has been sued or placed in jail for buying or selling virtual currency.
    Jail time isn't normally a result of Copyright/Intellectual Property cases, it's typically a fine and damages as it's a civil case, not criminal. second tons of people have been sued for it way back in the day. there is a reason most Gold/Gil seller sites are based in China these days, China does not recognize international copy right/intellectual property rights, which makes it very hard to take legal action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laryndra View Post
    Please, quote any case in which any person has been sued or placed in jail for buying or selling virtual currency.
    There have been cases and countries have set laws, a bit of googling and you can find http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_farming

    The annoying part is the main culprit like with any intellectual property theft is from China. Their government and economy thrive off stealing what others spend their lives working to create then they brag to the rest of the world that their economy is so great. There are laws and most of the world is pissed off about it but they can't touch these people legally because they are protected by their government. Just like there is no successful legitimate manufacturing company in china, they all steal designs from foreign companies and piece them together with cheap parts. Some have tried to pursue legal action but very few, if any have succeeded because China doesn't care, as long as it benefits them the rest of the world can go eff themselves.

    People who buy gil support this mentality as it creates an unfair economy for people playing for entertainment battling a market controlled by people who spend their work hours farming, not to mention hacking player accounts which is also illegal. I don't care what kind of squalor they live in if they make their living by RMTing in game currency, spamming chat channels and hacking accounts then they deserve severe poverty. Go SE for standing up to them and I hope they make this game completely unprofitable for RMTs.
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    "If you kill all the wolves you're gonna have a crap load of bunnies, and by bunnies I mean stupid people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laryndra View Post
    Please, quote any case in which any person has been sued or placed in jail for buying or selling virtual currency.
    Virtual currency and virtual currency platforms can be protected by trademark, copyright, and patent. In fact it's even patented in the US: U.S. patent No. 7,076,445.

    Zynga has actively taken ppl to court over it. Do the rest of the research yourself since you are so interested.
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    You guys have to remember that just because there is a EULA doesn't mean that it's binding in all countries. Most actually don't give a crap about virtual currency in a virtual game owned by a company that they don't get tax revenue from.

    That being said, I hope Square-Enix can push whatever buttons they need to stop RMT in their games. It's always good to see a company actively figthing RMT. Especially when you are in game and it doesn't appear that SE is doing enough. So a screen shot from a gold seller saying that they are having trouble is very positive in my eyes.
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