Post Your Solution For Gil Generation

[Codek]

Not to be jerky, just wanting to make a point. So I've had 50 GSM for a while now, and spent the last 10 levels turning in mostly HQs for the XP. The highest I ever saw given for a single levequest was 1600 gil.

Now, not to put to fine a point on it, but 1600 gil BARELY covers the transportation costs associated with that HQ leve, much less the repairs after a few of those. So to make the spurious argument that "guild leves [are] pretty rewarding" is fairly disingenuous.

Considering that I can make at least 5 times that amount for crafting the exact same item and selling it on the Market Ward, one has to question your awareness about endgame when you make a claim like

Some leve's allow you to complete it up to 3 times from one allowance. When these are done with HQ items, it can yield ~5k Gil per Leve quest or 30k per day. If that person is also farming the mats and crafting the recipes themselves, then the costs are usually around 1k for travel and 3k for repairs at most. It's a profit of 26k per day.

[Orsnoire]

Some leve's allow you to complete it up to 3 times from one allowance. When these are done with HQ items, it can yield ~5k Gil per Leve quest or 30k per day. If that person is also farming the mats and crafting the recipes themselves, then the costs are usually around 1k for travel and 3k for repairs at most. It's a profit of 26k per day.

Doesn't change the fact that for the same items, I can turn around and sell them at 5x that amount in the same time frame.

I stand by what I said before: it's pretty disingenuous to state that crafting leves are all that rewarding. To be "rewarding" it should generate at least similar (i.e. 3/4ths or higher) what you can get off the market ward, if not more.

[Codek]

Doesn't change the fact that for the same items, I can turn around and sell them at 5x that amount in the same time frame.

I stand by what I said before: it's pretty disingenuous to state that crafting leves are all that rewarding. To be "rewarding" it should generate at least similar (i.e. 3/4ths or higher) what you can get off the market ward, if not more.

Unless your selling the items to vender NPC's for more then you get from leve's, I'm not seeing the problem here.

If other players are buying items for more then they are worth then more power to you.

[Orsnoire]

Unless your selling the items to vender NPC's for more then you get from leve's, I'm not seeing the problem here.

If other players are buying items for more then they are worth then more power to you.

If you don't see the problem where the Leves/NPCs DRASTICALLY undervalue items, then honestly there's little hope for you.

Remember: this is all using repairs and transportation as objective measures of something's worth, coupled with the fact that ENORMOUS gil sinks are coming soon. (i.e. housing)

[Codek]

If you don't see the problem where the Leves/NPCs DRASTICALLY undervalue items, then honestly there's little hope for you.

Remember: this is all using repairs and transportation as objective measures of something's worth, coupled with the fact that ENORMOUS gil sinks are coming soon. (i.e. housing)

So are you suggesting that NPC's should over value items based off playesr supply/demand? Seems rather insane to expect NPC's to compete with the player market but some how I feel just completely lost as to what your looking at.

Also, they did hint that they are increasing the ability for players to obtain Gil for the support of player housing. It's still a bit early to cry about that one.

[Orsnoire]

So are you suggesting that NPC's should over value items based off playesr supply/demand? Seems rather insane to expect NPC's to compete with the player market but some how I feel just completely lost as to what your looking at.

Also, they did hint that they are increasing the ability for players to obtain Gil for the support of player housing. It's still a bit early to cry about that one.

*boggle*

Ok, first of all, I never said NPCs should over value items, only that the levequests don't provide nearly NEARLY enough gil in any kind of objective way.

Second, and I am surprised you don't make this connection: the dev team is increasing player gil because the gil generation is too low, because the in-game gil sinks CURRENTLY in the game are too high, much less with housing coming down the pike.

It's not "crying" to accept Yoshi's quote that he finds there simply isn't enough gil getting generated. It still boggles my mind how you don't accept that or see that, and try to call people "crying" or "lazy" who do.

The monumental ignorance demonstrated by your willful refusal to see the facts as they stand is astounding and mind-boggling.

[Codek]

*boggle*

Ok, first of all, I never said NPCs should over value items, only that the levequests don't provide nearly NEARLY enough gil in any kind of objective way.

Second, and I am surprised you don't make this connection: the dev team is increasing player gil because the gil generation is too low, because the in-game gil sinks CURRENTLY in the game are too high, much less with housing coming down the pike.

It's not "crying" to accept Yoshi's quote that he finds there simply isn't enough gil getting generated. It still boggles my mind how you don't accept that or see that, and try to call people "crying" or "lazy" who do.

The monumental ignorance demonstrated by your willful refusal to see the facts as they stand is astounding and mind-boggling.

Calm down chief, it's not ignorance to recognizing a problem as minor and to acknowledge that it's being addressed in the future.

My viewpoint simply stands that the issue at this point in time is not really an issue. Plenty of people are still exploiting the fact that tons of players are still leveling. The transition that will cause a problem, takes place at patch 2.1 and It's been announced that changes will happen (for better or worse). All of which is completely unpredictable to the players right now.

So, I ask, in the mean time (between now and 2.1) what is the problem with the economy? Is the economy really crashing? Are people broke from repairs? is the market dried up from mass Supply?

I stand by the idea that it's all just a concern, a wait and see what happens kind of problem.


If Myrdyn_Wyldt looks back here (I hit a post limit?!?), the source for Yoshi's statements can be found translated here half way down: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1290186

[lyse20]

one thing to make the gil sinks to get less notice is maybe increase the gil you make selling items.
also when you get allagan everyone gets 1 or 2 instead of just 1 and also that we get better and better depending on level(not not already exist)