Bots are now teleporting from mob to mob.

[Rivienne]

Finding them is really easy with math....

The server receives XYZ Coordinate set one for PlayerA, then sometime later receives XYZ Coordinate set two for PlayerA. So what it needs is a simple algorithm,

Max Distance Possible = Max Speed * Time
Actual Distance = Sqrt(X2-X1)^2 + (Y2 - Y1)^2)

Now if the Actual Distance is Greater than the Max Distance Possible using the max speed, the player is using an XYZ Hack.
Actual Speed Avg Moved =

That sounds good on paper, but it doesn't account for a few things, first and foremost is server capacity. Adding that just added upwards of 8000*3 calculation per second across the world. Even if you assume perfect distribution, this will cause additional load, resulting in having to lower the overall world capacity at a time. This may be something you are willing to live with, but given the previous problems of 1017 etc, it could be more problematic than that. Also, said calculation still has to account for average latency vs lag spikes, which makes it tricky to get right. The perfect calculation will still have gaps for people to exploit, just due to the poll time.

I agree this is the general approach they are likely to take, but I don't agree that it is easy to implement right without causing other issues.

[Ryios]

They could make the calculation client side, the average XYZ hacker won't have the skills to find and patch the x86 code doing the calc which would greatly reduce them.

[Reslin]

They exist in nearly every mmo at one time or another. Its how its then dealt with, and the timliness that becomes the issue.

Botters and gold sellers exist in every mmo. Not teleporting botters/gold sellers. At least none I've ever heard or seen. Oh, they also did exist on Neverwinter Online too.

[Tiraelina]

Botters and gold sellers exist in every mmo. Not teleporting botters/gold sellers.

Every game with client side movement has teleport hacking.

[Rivienne]

They could make the calculation client side, the average XYZ hacker won't have the skills to find and patch the x86 code doing the calc which would greatly reduce them.

It doesn't matter how many average hackers there are, because it takes only one moderately skilled programmer, and the gill buying/botting industry have that. They need them because they are hacking every single game. This isn't a solo operation, if you have looked into the gil spammers you can see that they are the same businesses as in all the other MMO: this is their job, they aren't just some average hacker. They have built an entire business leaching off all of the games. And it has proven very lucrative in the past.

That is how they are able to hack the system so fast. Look at an another illegal operation: pirating movies. Blu-ray has this ridiculous encryption mechanism which requires the player to perpetually update new keys in order to prevent people from ripping and pirating movies. Yet this is bypassed within 24 hours of every patch, so it doesn't even do any good. There are people out there, and they do this for fun, and for a living. That is why this is a never ending struggle, between those who bypass systems, and those who try and protect against it. There are always solutions. And they are always bypassed.

This is not to say anything against trying, just that there isn't any simple easy solution, every solution is a calculated mitigation strategy, while you try and anticipate what they will do next.

[Mythrella]

Yeah, they have the fleece market cornered.

I wish it at least dropped off more mobs instead of just the handful in Coerthas. Ideally SE will break the bot and ban the accounts, but I don't see that happening for a while...

[Tetriana]

The teleport bots have also made farming fleece impossible... they farm it all and then sell it for ridiculous prices on the market.

It's not just rmt bots who are using these third party programs to teleport... I've seen videos on youtube of people using them and posts in another forum.

Despite their efforts to remove these players, it is still very clearly happening and it probably always will.

[Nib]

You know, I kind of wonder why SE hasn't come up with some sort of watchdog program that runs alongside the FFXIV client. Lots of other MMOs do it and tinfoil hats be damned if they want to complain about privacy and whatnot. Even if things like anti-hack watchdog programs are able to be circumvented, they would at least prevent some of the craziness. It's one thing to learn from your own mistakes, but to ignore the lessons learned by others? It's not like someone has already written the book on MMOs or anything.

[Zfz]

really? you guys go to this forum but don't take the time to read the news section?

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...8d1f1df953c121

Really? You read posts and immediately assume people are trolling?

Teleport botting is still everywhere after the maintenance and the "countermeasures to nullify the effects of the aforementioned cheats", and it is still happening right now as we speak.

[Synthesis]

This has to Stop SE. Game will be crap soon with things like this going on.