Another potentially awesome game does down the drain..

[Steeled]

I play 5 hrs a day and haven't even got a 50 yet. Some people actually like to enjoy the game instead of racing through all the content without even experiencing it.

Some people enjoy different things about a game. Why do you assume [I] enjoy it less because I have more fun attaining level cap than switching jobs frequently, exploring, or whatever it is you or other people enjoy?

[Dyvid]

I'm at the point where I'm scared to log in because all my time will be wasted anyway.

Might want to spend more time playing the game and less in the forums. You're level 38, you haven't even reached content to complain about a lack there of.

Here is what end game is right now; 4 lv. 50 DF dungeons, 3 HM Primal fights, 1 8-man raid that has 5 different sections (I might add nobody has beating yet).

Here is what we know of coming in 2.1; 2 Lv. 50 HM Dungeons, 1 Lv.50 dungeon, 1 HM Primal fight, 3 EX Primal Fight, 1 24-man raid, PvP, Beastmen Dailies.

Looks like a lot of content for that 15 a month I pay.

[LOLyYOUcryin]

Apparently you don't know what Coil is...

coil... lol waste of content that could of been better

[MetaVale]

I just want to put this out there, because I'm not sure how many of you guys played 1.0, and actually followed it, or are new to 14 with ARR. A lot of the things you(and this is a general "you") are complaining about (time sinks, gill sinks, not being hard core enough, etc,): you are describing 1.0 almost to a T.I'm not saying what 1.0 had was perfect, because if it was "perfect" we wouldn't have ARR. But SE tried sooo many different things, they did the things a lot of you think you want, AND IT FAILED HORRIBLY. It only started getting better after Yoshi took over and they changed the entire design scope of the game.
You know what SE did throughout 1.0s lifespan? They had Player Polls, where players could vote for what they want changed the most, what they want to see added, and so on. They did a couple of them. And boy, did people vote. And guess what? SE is SPOT ON following those polls and what the players voted for.



Here is a link to the first poll, which also happens to be Yoshi's first Letter from the Producer. http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=46e03f76722239ffa01960aba398e4034b898102
Here are the results of another Player Poll, Analyzed in 2 Posts from Yoshi: Part 1: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46535-Letter-from-the-Producer-XXVIII-%2805-28-2012%29
Part 2: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936-Letter-from-the-Producer-XXIX-%2806-04-2012%29

Note: I can't find results for the second players poll, Letters from the Producer forum only starts at the 6th letter.

I want you guys who are complaining to read those Letters, and read what the player base voted for. Again, I'm not saying you want 1.0 back, but a lot of what you want, was deliberately changed from 1.0 for ARR, or not what people voted. When they built ARR, they built it off of what the 1.0 player base wanted. And I agree, the game has faults. It's unfortunate Crystal Tower got pushed back, as I think that would have alleviated some of the stress a lot of you are feeling at end game right now. But This Team, has done SOOO much in the little time given them, and they have so much in the works, that you can't say it's going to fail for "this reason" or "that reason".

People say it will fail because the game isn't focused on PvP. Well no kidding, no one really wanted PvP in their PvE MMORPG. It was voted as something that would be nice, but not essential to the game, and if it was in, not a big focus. 2.9% of people who voted wanted pvp. 3 PERCENT! And people complained about how crafting/gathering were simplified, LOOK AT THE RESULTS! 50% of the player base were undecided on if they liked those aspects of the game. That's a huge chunk of people who probably don't want to do it to much, if at all.

So all of you people bashing the game for some of its "shortcomings", take a look at those polls. And then tell me SE isn't trying their hardest to do what WE wanted them to do.

[sasakusaku]

Here is what end game is right now; 4 lv. 50 DF dungeons, 3 HM Primal fights, 1 8-man raid that has 5 different sections (I might add nobody has beating yet).

Only 2 of those dungeons can be considered lvl 50 and one of them which is WP can be entirely skipped since you can get better gear in AK and or via speed runs of that instance or CM/Prae.

CM/Prae drop zero loot and nothing more than 'speed' runs to get philo for DL gear which I might add only takes about a week to accumulate for a full set. It is odd though that DL is better than WP/AK drops which seems backwards...token gear should what that gets you by until what you really needs drops...instead it is the best until mythos/coil gear and imo far to quick to earn. Going the route I just listed gives meaning to dungeon runs rather than try to speed past it as fast as possible just to get tokens.

The three primals are just weapon farms all in all and once you get what you need there is zero point going back. All those encounters take less than 10 minutes and really isn't all that much content when it comes right down to.

And then there's Coil which is tuned for a full 8 man crew decked in top gears/relics and requires extreme coordination/skill of all party members; this is not content aimed at the masses, it is aimed at the top 1%. Already it was officially stated that they are betting only about a 100 people will have this on farm by 2.1. This is called exclusive elite content which leaves the rest of the players 'not good enough' to muck about doing the same limited things for months on end. Basically, this game has a large gap where stuff are obviously missing....crystal keep is supposed to be the stepping stone to Coil but it will not make it into the game for quite some time by the looks of things. How can any modern day MMO only launch with a single level cap small group dungeon anyways? Yikes!

Any rate, there is nothing I can really do about it other than voice my concerns. Many of us has heard the excuse 'just wait for later patches, it will improve!". While on one hand that might happen and I sincerely hope it does but first impressions are lasting and has result in the demise of far to many MMOs. People are not wide eyed and so easily swayed these days due to countless MMO flops over the years where the devs (and fans) make the exact same excuses every time.

I do hope 2.1 is the jesus patch. I really really do. Despite it all, I still like the game and wish to see it succeed but as of now I have nothing really to do other than farm to mythos cap and then go play something else....this is not what a MMO should be like imo. The quality (and quantity) of end game is a make or break component for the longevity of all MMOs; I don't think anyone can deny that? Can they?

[Alhanelem]

If these forums are anything to go by,

Honestly, these forums really aren't something to go by.

the customer service treatment has been despicable and they actually make Comcast look like a walk in the park.

I have never had any issues with customer service, nor have I ever met a "wrongful" suspension.

The only questionable thing I've seen since the launch is the suspensions for having lots of gil on nonlegacy servers, but even then, as longa s legit players aren't getting a full ban, I feel that it had an impact on RMT- if you do see an RMT shout, the prices they've been shouting about have skyrocketed from single digit dollars to tens, even hundreds of dollars for the same amount of gil- a message that indicates a lot of RMT gil banks have bit the dust.

any time that I have approached customer service in a civil, respectful manner, I have never been wronged by them. The worst thing they've ever done to me is make me wait longer than I should really have to- but it's something i can tolerate if the wait is rewarded with issue resolution.

[FutanXIV]

Why can't we just have an mmo that is designed to last longer than 3 months?

That's the problem right there. Moderns MMOs from the ground up really aren't designed to last. Everything is designed to give near instant gratification. You level quickly. You get items quickly. You're done quickly.

There's a fundamental flaw in MMOs. There's basically no way to keep people interested long enough until new content is out. They can make the game all instant gratification-ey like almost all the modern MMOs but then people beat it fast and quit. Or they could make things slow and grindy like old school MMOs but then people quit before they beat it. There's probably a middle ground in there but it doesn't seem like any MMO can find it.

[Reynhart]

coil... lol waste of content that could of been better

Ok, sorry for being totally off-topic, but how come so many people write "could of" instead of "could've" or could have ??
Sorry again

Only 2 of those dungeons can be considered lvl 50 and one of them which is WP can be entirely skipped since you can get better gear in AK and or via speed runs of that instance or CM/Prae.

I'll assume this dungeon is easier than AK and drops gear that could be very useful for clearing AK. So instead of building steadily your gear, you suggest to go for the best and skip content. You can't complain for the lack of content if you pursposely skip some of it.

[Munashe]

I have such a hard time understanding why ppl who so openly dislike a game would hang out in forums of said game just to complain about it as oppose to moving on to another game. If you're not a fan of the game then why do you care if it fails or goes F2P. Apperantly you won't be here either way. If you are going to leave then leave and allow those of us that do enjoy the game to play in a peaceful and blissful ignorance until our game's demise.

[calamityz]

Yup that OOO SHINY effect has worn off for most players then they realized how mediocre this game really is.