Another potentially awesome game does down the drain..

[Elegance]

Have you seen more options in one-month-old F2P games ?

actually... yes. :/
Almost every generic asian f2p has more content than this at launch.
They've got it down to a science even, some of the games literally look like they are using the same engine,same programs to create models/animations...

[Mathias]

technically FFXIV has been around since 2010

[ilJumperMT]

Please tell me how to down Twintania. Since there is no content left you cleared Coil right?

Also, you couldn't enjoy the scenery in FFXIV 1.0...now you can.

FFXIV 1.0 Scenery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA7GGnyNwEs

[sasakusaku]

Kinda funny SNIP.

You know nothing about me yet assume things and then slap a label on me. Good stuff, old chap!

I did all those instances you suggested to GEAR up to 'progress' many many MANY times. Most them do not give gear or loot and ones that do are trumped by AK.

You think I rushed?!!! I read every single quest line and watched every single cut scene and only ground fates when I absolutely had to.

And playing that "you only have one 50" card is baloney. I AM NOT AN ALT PERSON. I found my love which is WHM and will play it until I absolutely have to make another class and I will tell you why: the fate grind which is only way to level up another class SUCKS. Also this might suprise you, but some people prefer to play one class or character and become the best they can at it. Not jump around between classes stealing loot from players who prefer a single main.

SWToR tried that ploy of saying 'make alts to pass the time' well sir, people quit in droves when that happened. Shall we repeat that here?

Now all the excuses you and all the others use has been repeated in every single failed MMO I have ever played.

All I am saying is that having a single TRUE 50 instance and raid on launch is kind of cheap. I heard this "oh wait X months for X patch" to save the day more than I can count now....every single time it's never come so call me skeptical.

Lastly, would love to try the coil but then again I burnt out BIG time after 7+ years of that in one game and 1 year in another so I am a bit hesitant of going back to high stress raiding where people demean others and yell at each other at the top of their lungs. If there was like 5+ reg 4 manners with HMs on launch, I would not be here being bored trying to defend myself.

[Steeled]

I'd like to see you try and make a game

There's a fault with this.

All jokes aside, game developers are professionals. Your post there is like someone complaining about average mpg of today's cars and you replying "I'd like to see you build a car.". That's not on them to build a car, they purchased one from professionals who work at this all day long for years.

Sorry, Fate grinding is the worst thing I've experienced in an MMO. Party grinding and Quest grinding (save for TERA's which hit a new low) are better than fates. At 50 cap there's soooo shockingly little to do. You can blame me for hitting 50 quickly, but MMO companies know there are players that will. They don't want to dilly dally on random jobs, they knew what job they'd be playing before they installed the game and they want to hit level cap.

Since this can't be shocking news to anyone who considers themselves part of the gaming industry, they need to properly brace for that.

[Jeronlmo]

Technically any time put into a game is wasted time. No one gains anything from it but entertainment. If your not playing for entertainment then your probably playing games for the wrong reason.

Dollar for dollar you can't find a cheaper entertainment imo. Play for fun and the moment and if it fails it fails if it does not it does not. Eventually all good things come to an end.

Technically one day we will all die, so life is pointless.

FF11 even at the start didn't end, regardless of how much you play, I did not play vanilla WoW but I heard it was basically the same, regardless if you agree with it, endgame needs to be focused around hardcores considering we are the ones doing it, the rest just wait for nerfs so they can pick up the scraps and pray to god LS's release guides for them to use then later bash those same people.

[Lafiele]

I play 5 hrs a day and haven't even got a 50 yet. Some people actually like to enjoy the game instead of racing through all the content without even experiencing it.

[sasakusaku]

I did not play vanilla WoW but I heard it was basically the same.

WoW, SWToR, Rift, GW2, etc all had PvP at launch either free form open world and or instanced/objective based venues at launch so that kept me going when PvE became a boring, repetitious slog. There is no PvP here and what's coming to 2.1 looks to be nothing more than a 4v4 wow arena which does not appeal to me in the least. If there was AV, Warsong Gulch, Huttball, etc right now...I'd be doing that right now to pass the time. After running AK 100+ times, it's getting the point I dread logging in. That is not a good sign after 1 month if you ask me. I mean there isn't even any dedicated lvl 50 only zones here either so open world is lacking as well. I pray 2.1 is all that other wise I will more than likely drop my sub. No big deal if many others do the same thing, right?

[Xatsh]

All I can say is SE needs to do something major in the next few patches or this game will follow ToR's footsteps down the drain. It will not be as quick but it will none the less. The game is way too casual, has 0 time sinks, and can be spammed through. While the very causal might like this it is an unsustainable model to use in a mmo. Even on new servers people are at endgame along side the legacy people.

Endgame currently has about 1/10 of what it needs. Content is too spammy, content has horrific lockouts, gear drops to fast, and there is no long term content. People can say no one beat coil.. we got a group to turn 5 in 2hrs 40mins.... and it is a week reset that is poor on SE's part to design content like that without anything else. Lock outs are fine, but if you can get through a week lockout in 2-4hrs after it is on farm status... you need 5-6 of those kinds of events min. Now they have more coming but combine that with the fact the game is hyper linear and the plan is to constantly negate content I do not see how they can make enough fast enough using the current model.

If people run out of content they will quit... despite what people say SE needs to design the game for the 50hr a week ppl... that way NO ONE runs out of content. Not the casuals not the hardcores.

Other main issue is the economy is non-existant, it needs a 100% overhaul. Both crafting and Gathering, are almost pointless. You can make more money spamming pretorium speedruns and selling Coke and Pot then you can crafting or gathering and that should never happen since those 2 class types are suppose to be the pillars of the economy.

P2P games fail because people will not pay to be bored or wait for more content. Now I want this game to survive, I put in insain hours in and out of game organizing my guild and spaming guild events, close to 60hrs a week. But this game really worries me now. The devs refused to listen to any request of the hardcores in alpha/beta.... And I feel the game is suffering because of it, casual content is good, casual content only is unsustainable in a mmo. If you play more then 15hrs a week at endgame currently... you will run out of things to do once you learn the content and stop dying alot.

[Strelnikov]

The biggest issue is the rate that players consume MMO's now-a-days. If anyone here started in Everquest, you got dropped in a zone you knew nothing about, no newbie quests, just a dagger, some food and SNAKES to kill.

The crazy level 5 naked monk run from Qeynos to Freeport so you could work on the ashen hand quests as well. Die, run back to your corpse. It was exhilarating,. The Evil Ambassador D'vnn Camping spiders in Ro, Sitting around a campfire Just talking, as you all healed up. Camping Lord Bergurgle for 179 place sitters on a 15 minute spawn underwater heh.

It isn't the fault of the game dev's in a way it's because the games were too successful. People thought that we can make it better. We forgot to ask ourselves, what is Better?

I think we need a different, carrot for a new age stick.