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  1. #651
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    Kaalan's Avatar
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    Kalaan Elista
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    Cerberus
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    Marauder Lv 60
    That's the reason why a lot of WAR are buying Titan carry.
    If we could do it as PLD and still got the quest item... but nop.
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  2. #652
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    Ipkonfig's Avatar
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    Ulfheonar Wolfhiem
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    Zalera
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Relic'd PLD and WAR here. We are currently in turn 4 of coil and honestly I never switch to WAR anymore. To add insult to injury a full darklight WAR with relic wont even hit the ACC hard cap without food. Yaaa skillspeed on relic!
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  3. #653
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    Giantbane's Avatar
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    Adol Giantbane
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Sephirah View Post
    Because there are some things they do better than PLD. People keep saying it's a myth WAR does more dmg than PLD, yet there are parses out there showing WARs dealing equal if not more dmg than actual DPS classes, you just have to change your gear and playstyle. They are more versatile, for encounters you only need 1 tank for they can DPS and pick up the boss if the PLD dies, much easier than any other DPS could. I'm not saying it's impossible to hold AoE threat as a PLD, far from it, but it's definitely easier for a WAR. Just like it's not impossible for a WAR to maintank, it's just easier for a PLD.
    You're the one in the nerf thread that thought WARs get 40% more hp than a PLD.

    Wars may have some benefit if you dig into it (although save AoE threat generation it's pretty hidden). But I'm gonna just go ahead and say that you have literally no idea what you're talking about whatsoever so you should probably stop posting.
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  4. #654
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    Leiron's Avatar
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    Haeen Kazerith
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sephirah View Post
    Because there are some things they do better than PLD. People keep saying it's a myth WAR does more dmg than PLD, yet there are parses out there showing WARs dealing equal if not more dmg than actual DPS classes
    This is so stupid.
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  5. #655
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    Solduios's Avatar
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    Selrea Mandragoran
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kexual View Post
    Here is what Yoshi had to say about Warriors, as translated by Reinhart:



    Does this mean that Yoshi is telling us buffs are on the way, or Warrior is shining with the content that's coming? I'm not sure.

    You can find the translation of the rest of the letter at:
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...ntW_O2vWI/edit
    Notice how he says marauder not warrior I been speculating about mrd for a bit at 50+ in raids.... Beefy high burst aoe with decent sustained single target dps that can in a pinch pick up an add if need be.
    Look at what mrd can pull from vs what war can pull from pretty sure mrd can put out some decent damage with fairly high survivablity.
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  6. #656
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    Leiron's Avatar
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    Haeen Kazerith
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Well...with Marauder you could possibly turn it into something of a make shift DPS, but that means allocating everything into strength, wearing entirely different gear, scale armor probably, and not using a Warrior cryal at all so you can get

    Straight Shots
    Furious strikes
    Venom bite
    Hawk's eye

    Those are the ones you'd get if you were a marauder, since you'd have accest to internal release and second wind regardless if you were Warrior or Marauder.

    Even then you lose your ability to tank anything properly because you would not have the health nor defensive capabilities a properly specced Warrior possesses
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  7. #657
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    Selrea Mandragoran
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Leiron View Post
    Well...with Marauder you could possibly turn it into something of a make shift DPS, but that means allocating everything into strength, wearing entirely different gear, scale armor probably, and not using a Warrior cryal at all so you can get

    Straight Shots
    Furious strikes
    Venom bite
    Hawk's eye

    Those are the ones you'd get if you were a marauder, since you'd have accest to internal release and second wind regardless if you were Warrior or Marauder.

    Even then you lose your ability to tank anything properly because you would not have the health nor defensive capabilities a properly specced Warrior possesses
    you also get blood for blood and ect... the ability to boost mrd burst might be enough to have it along.... unless War gets ton more defensive stuff all your losing is some agro generation and hp idk most plp are poo pooing none job at lvl 50 w/o ever even tring them out with access to 10 cross class abilities who knows what one could pull off.
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  8. #658
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    Shaenrael Calgarawyn
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    Lamia
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Solduios View Post
    you also get blood for blood and ect... the ability to boost mrd burst might be enough to have it along.... unless War gets ton more defensive stuff all your losing is some agro generation and hp idk most plp are poo pooing none job at lvl 50 w/o ever even tring them out with access to 10 cross class abilities who knows what one could pull off.
    There's no point in going MRD. You lose Bravura. You lose 10 Vit / Str / Dex. You lose your increased healing / 25% bonus hp from Defiance.

    Either way you're tied to tank armor unless you go all the way back to ilvl55/60 gear which will be of questionable viability in coil.

    It would maybe be worthwhile for DPS if you had the Allagan Greataxe. But before that you may as well just drop defiance and stay as a WAR.
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  9. #659
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    Selrea Mandragoran
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Hachiko View Post
    There's no point in going MRD. You lose Bravura. You lose 10 Vit / Str / Dex. You lose your increased healing / 25% bonus hp from Defiance.

    Either way you're tied to tank armor unless you go all the way back to ilvl55/60 gear which will be of questionable viability in coil.

    It would maybe be worthwhile for DPS if you had the Allagan Greataxe. But before that you may as well just drop defiance and stay as a WAR.
    True but as we see with Darklight gear I am assuming their will be sets like that but higher iLvl Same with axes it is too early to tell yet how it will pan out but according to the devs they wanted to make it so you can not be a Job and still be viable. I am lvling mrd right now cause it interest me and I wanna test some theory crafting.
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  10. #660
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    Shuon's Avatar
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    Shu'on Vana'diel
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    Tonberry
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Solduios View Post
    True but as we see with Darklight gear I am assuming their will be sets like that but higher iLvl Same with axes it is too early to tell yet how it will pan out but according to the devs they wanted to make it so you can not be a Job and still be viable. I am lvling mrd right now cause it interest me and I wanna test some theory crafting.
    I believe with some experimentations mrd may put out some decent (albeit only decent) dps, but as far as tanking is concerned, i believe war is the way to go. In fact, until you hit lvl 35 (for inner beast) or even 38 (for storm's path) you won't even get to taste the full mechanics of war tanking (although it is also true that the community is still debating as to how exactly war should tank, but it definitely has go to do with playing with wraths).

    that said, a few cross class dps abilities won't put us anywhere near pure dps classes. i played whm first so i didn't notice it, but as i am playing tanks all over again, the speed at which mob hp goes down when you have a competent drg or mnk is unbelievable. it is not impossible to dps as mrd, and it will probably be good enough for most content if the party knows what it is doing (i nuked as dps whm before, it was good fun), but if the situation becomes more demanding, having a dedicated dps may be important.
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