Do you think bard desired a nerfing soon.

[KaiSunstrider]

I hope you realise the healer LB isn't exactly a plus?
In almost every case you'd want a dps LB, there is a reason melee claim they are solely brought for their LB.

Now there are those crazy cases where it comes in handy. During our first titan kill bombs came out and killed everyone that wasn't already dead except for me and the tank at around 10%. The tank was able to pop hallowed ground as i repeling shot myself into the center and aoe rezed the entire raid 1 second before the floor plumes came out. This was the sole reason we got our first titan kill. If I would have had a DPS limit break, that may not have happened. I realize that its an extreme case, but there are times where the healer is dead or too occupied to be able to get off the required cast time for the LB without the tank dying or everyone is already dead. This is where having a non healer with the heal LB comes in handy. Although, I've already said Id much prefer a BRD based buff LB.

[t00nc3ss]

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Oh no, Haha. I completely agree with you. What I said was concerning the LB and all were to mock the posters lamebrained argument

[Sabaoth]

So, basically, this thread has taught me a few things. 1) Most consider Bard DPS too high, but love their support. 2) Most Bard responses against the call for their DPS nerf boils down to, "Get on my level."

Bards have to be considered a Support class before they're a DPS class. If not, then they are DPS class before they're a Support class--which no other DPS class can claim to be. So, why should a class who primarily, or otherwise, is a Support class ALSO be the top DPS?

Seems like Bard DPS will get a nerf. If you're a "Bard Loyalist" and can't handle that, jump on the next DPS Bandwagon like you know you will. Don't even lie about it. You have a DPS Bandwagon Pass, you ride it so often. No? Bard's utility/support literally sings to you? Well you're in luck, that shouldn't be touched--it may even be expanded upon. So, what were some "Bards" arguing against again?

TL;DR:
You simply can't have your cake and eat it too. Just deal with it.

[Blaste]

I still don't understand why a class has to be exactly like it was before? Does it take a great amount of skill to play a bard? No, Is it a fun class for beginners to the series that don't care about the previous installments of how the bard should be played, of course. Way I see it SE wanted the BARD to be a class that everyone could play, to people complaining about a challenge then go try another class...heck call everyone who plays a bard a pew pew noob, I don't care, just let me play my pew pew class in peace.

Also to those saying BARD will get a nerf, wouldn't count your chickens before they've hatched, given SE track record if we DO get a nerf its half a year away.

[KaiSunstrider]

Main thing is, most of the earlier fights are not that long or extremely difficult to the point that BRDs rarely use any song other than Foe if they even use one. As the duration and difficulty of boss increase, BRDs will need to maintain a much higher uptime on MP/TP songs which will greatly reduce their output. The reason for our dps being as high as it is, lies in the fact that SE wanted BRD dps to not to be, mediocre at best, due to song dps nerfs and be in line at the end of the day with other dps classes.

Unfortunately, for fights were song up time is of non issue, BRD dps seems unproprtionally high. I believe SE designed BRD for the difficult long winded fights, not the arbitrarily simple and short ones.

[KaiSunstrider]

Because on the flipside, if SE goes the "BRD is support route" and makes BRD dps equivalent or less when not singing and even worse when singing, then on fights, again, where song uptime is of no importance, people will prioritize other classes in place of BRDs because their songs are of no real use. This would cause groups to not wanna take BRDs.

To possibly combat this situation, SE could nerf our baseline "not in song" DPS to bring it inline with other dps classes and then remove dmg reduction caused by singing completely. Its a bit harder to balance a class that has a dps dependance on how often and how long they use their songs for. This would cause major fluctuations in where exactly to put the BRD baseline and for this reason I think they are designing BRD around dps values if BRDs sing a MP/TP song almost exclusively everytime they have the mp to do so.

[BrodyAlgana]

again as healer, I am looking at this from a different perspective... but so they nerf bard, then someone else will be top, then they nerf that one, then someone else... the grass is always greener on the other side of the fense for you DPS.. from a team point stand point, nerfing anyone sucks... maybe give dragoons a pet to do more dps, and some special abilities, and monks, well don't know that class enough to suggest something, but lets talk to square about BUFFIng people, not nerfing them... nerfing a class hurts us all...

Again, there are many discussions on the Healer forums about scholars and white mage, but I have never heard anyone say NERF white mage... its always about buffing or fixing scholar....

[Jayded]

Its not as simple as throwing a switch or hitting a big nerf button, with a game like FFXIV that is already walking a fairly thin tightrope putting a nerf out on a class could have serious consequences. Some of which could result on a mass number of players just leaving

And the flipside of that is that everyone who DOESN'T want to play the OP to the max fotm bard may decide the game is not worth their time. Then you're stuck with palas, healers and bards..oh wait lol that's the optimal setup for EVERY situation. Nvm game can do without all other classes. Cya back in wow!

[Farrell]

God melee players sound bitter in this game. Nerf the Bard twice if you want, I can imagine you will still be out trying to change things in the game to the way you want it to be.

[RyuDragnier]

And the flipside of that is that everyone who DOESN'T want to play the OP to the max fotm bard may decide the game is not worth their time. Then you're stuck with palas, healers and bards..oh wait lol that's the optimal setup for EVERY situation. Nvm game can do without all other classes. Cya back in wow!

Which is why we need to find that middle ground. One would be just nerfing the Bard's damage a little (10% maybe?) while removing the 20% damage output reduction the songs give. It encourages using the Bard as support, while getting rid of that thin line between OP and completely nerfed. This is in no way, shape, or form completely thought through as an idea, btw, since I have no clue how other DPSers compare other than Pugilist, which I'm about to start working on again.