SE Banning players with large amounts of gil?

[Vagrant-0]

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...s_and_illicit/

Except still seeing numerous Gil spammers in towns, still getting tells from other spammers... And still seeing the same bots teleporting around nodes that I reported weeks ago. Some of them now higher level than I am... Presumably just from mining crystals.

I don't know what these countermeasures were, but they did almost nothing about the underlying problem. Would assume that other NA servers are essentially the same... Or those who manage things on Lamia are slacking badly.

[Reika]

Doing all quest to lvl 50 and sell all the pieces of tin bronze silver and gold will net you around 400k

Answer this. New worlds, where did 367.7 billion gil come from? 5000 players per server, 30 servers (new) each one does all the quests sells the coins and nets 400k each by level 50. That comes out to 60,000,000,000. so... where did the other 307.7 billion come from? You have to factor in teleport costs and repair costs into this too, unless that 400k has teleport and repair costs in it. Also factor in that not everyone is lvl50, nor are all those worlds full

Lets say you factor in people doing crafter and gathering quests, all of them. Not everyone does this tho, since it is not a requirement. How much do all of those give you, given that there aren't really nearly as many of those as there are side/story quests. Maybe another 30,000,000,000 if everyone levels all of them and does all quests. So where did the other 270.7 billion come from? Guildleves? Maybe that would put the total gil amount should all of those players do each and every one of their guildleves at another +20,000,000,000 gil

So that would leave 257.7 billion gil....

Maybe my math is off, but I don't think there should have been 367.7 billion gil there. Unless of course you have many alt accounts running the same thing to multiply the gil then put it all on one character, something those evil RMT excel at. /shrug

[Reiia]

Guys, most of us high level crafters hit the top because the prices at the start of the game were low (For some crafts that is). while the market was still being established. Actually tons of people didn't craft, so the supply was high while demand wasn't as high. Too many people went DoM or DoW first because they saw crafting as secondary, while i saw crafting as my main job and main interest.

It took me less than 150k total to get my first craft to 50, i was able to by materials at practically break even costs of turning in leves. Not to mention people forget that you can actually contact the suppliers directly (gathering) and broker a bulk deal for a discount or establish a partnership that benefits both parties. I still remember when i started doing relics. Those wondering how i got 150k first? Pretty easy. I went DoW to 32 bard before i discover my love for crafting. I started with around 50-60k, easily hit 30 without spending more than 10-20k. Increased my profits by tons by selling dyes which i would harvest on my own as i also had my botanist up to par for the materials used. All in all i was lucky that i level my botanist during phase 4.

How most of us early crafters made bank early.
about 100-200k selling dyes for the first week. The prices per dye was 900-1000 gil (everyone wanted black soot dye and snow white)
Straight up Relics went for 100-150k
Crafting relics went for 50-70k
Spruce Lumber, Darksteel Nuggets, and similar items went for 30-40k
You DoM and DoW could have made bank if you bothered to noticed that the materia market was 100-200k per materia.

Where these things over priced? Who knew. We were testing the waters. People bought them, so all we can assume it was a fair price. Why? Because relics are considered pretty much your end game purchase and one of the most powerful weapons you can grind it into. If they were overpriced, then the people wouldn't have bought them. However tons have bought them at that price before the crafters who were able to do such things increased and started to drop the price in competition with each other. Now they are probably 5k profits, and what nots. However I have noticed some sketchy things with certain bloody parts that someone is doing. Not sure who it is, but they are price fixing some bloody weapon parts at 30-50k (esp the pld and sch/smn relics.)

As crafters we interact with hundreds of players each week. My first 3 days selling relics i probably interacted with 200 direct trades as i had no time to even list anything on the market as it was that busy.
Once direct comissions were calmer, we started to sell stuff on market. However it should be the marketboard's responsibility to know if the gil is tainted and not sell our item. It is like giving your item to Christies auction and then they sold it and got countierfeit currency and paid you in that. The middle man is responsible for that fiasco since we had no control over the transaction.

Would i ask all my customers to pledge that they haven never bought gil or don't anything illegal? Sure. I could do that and make screenshots. However how many if the actual gil buyers will tell me if they bought gil? They would lie out their mouths. I have a friend who never traded anyone, all he does is look at the market. find a lack of supplies in a certain market, and then makes bank on it while he buys low as an investment. Then when the item goes higher in price, short them for huge margins. He made 20mil flipping the market and was also hit with a suspension.

Anyone who can't really make money i don't believe is trying, knows anything about RL stock markets, or just too lazy and screams "if i can't make it from doing what i want to do, then the game is wrong." I hated farming in FFXI, but hey. Beehive chips was a reliable source of income in FFXI. In this game it was much easier when you sit infront of the market board for 1-2 hours each day to update the info in your head to know what is "hot that day" and then supply it and hope you are right. We can tell you how to make money, but if you are terrible or lazy, you will never make bank.

[Tupsi]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1360291

[Sentinel]

1,000,000 gil! How could somebody make that much money! People with over 500k should be banned!!!!!

I have 500k gil, I did not sell any carries or buy anything with RL money, I just had a LOT of time on my hand and did a lot of farming, heck, leveling mining to 50 got me 200k alone, combine that with the 200k I made leveling my PLD to 50 and additional money I made from mining....yes, I have a lot of time on my hands right now so, sue me!

[Deceptistar]

Unfortunately due to selfish cheats in games, like yourself it seems, genuine players do get caught in the cross-fire.

RMG exists here because people like yourself want shortcut's and don't wish to play on a level playing field.

It's actually easy to make gil if you know what to farm/craft and how to undercut.

if its so easy then youd have no problems doing it all over again since your not one of those lazy shortcut players.

Services may crap on us once in a while but it happens in any game and irl.

[Nenin]

Answer this. New worlds, where did 367.7 billion gil come from?

You underestimate how much gil gatherers/crafters generate by a large margin. For starters the best way to level any craft is by turning in triple HQ items (i start at around 35-50) which generate 3-6k per leve. I can easily burn through 30-50 leves to level a craft, so 100k+ there. Almost every item dropped by a monster is used for some craft. I sometimes spiritbond gear by quicksynthing hundreds and hundreds of high level items and vendoring them for 80-110 gil each. Tens of thousands right there. Every time a gatherer swings a pick/axe or fishes that's new gil being generated.

You know how everyone levels? By spamming fates which give enough gil to offset repair and teleport costs (people leech off of other people teleporting in fate groups anyway).

[Reika]

You underestimate how much gil gatherers/crafters generate by a large margin. For starters the best way to level any craft is by turning in triple HQ items (i start at around 35-50) which generate 3-6k per leve. I can easily burn through 30-50 leves to level a craft, so 100k+ there. Almost every item dropped by a monster is used for some craft. I sometimes spiritbond gear by quicksynthing hundreds and hundreds of high level items and vendoring them for 80-110 gil each. Tens of thousands right there. Every time a gatherer swings a pick/axe or fishes that's new gil being generated.

You know how everyone levels? By spamming fates which give enough gil to offset repair and teleport costs (people leech off of other people teleporting in fate groups anyway).

I don't think that players with souls can put 367.7 bil into the economy in one month on new servers. Running dungeons before the fix did a number on enough peoples wallets, because not everyone crafts/gatherters and not every crafter does what you do. Fates give lolow gil too...

257.7B+ gil would have to be generated after all else is said in done with after leveling everything and collecting the gil. Add on what you do from definitely not everyone, and that will certainly not generate 257.7bil gil from those with souls. Souless people who teleport around and have a lot of accounts can certainly do it.

[Overon]

SE has a program that shows trade history of accounts and characters !
The same program used in FF11 ....

If you made a trade of large amounts of Gil with a known Gil seller , they can ban you for it .

it is not a easy job to do but eventually 80% of Gil buyers get caught !
Mean while I have 50+ GS spammers on my block list that should have been banned by now

[Nenin]

I don't think that players with souls can put 367.7 bil into the economy in one month on new servers. Running dungeons before the fix did a number on enough peoples wallets, because not everyone crafts/gatherters and not every crafter does what you do. Fates give lolow gil too...

257.7B+ gil would have to be generated after all else is said in done with after leveling everything and collecting the gil. Add on what you do from definitely not everyone, and that will certainly not generate 257.7bil gil from those with souls. Souless people who teleport around and have a lot of accounts can certainly do it.

I've no doubt that 10-20% of the economy is being inflated right now by bots. As a crafter who watches the markets I probably notice it more frequently than the average player.

It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together when you see a retainer named Asdfsdneop selling 10 stacks of 9999 wind shards for 50% of what everyone else has them at. It's easier to avoid buying from them now because they have lost so many accounts. Now they try to sell huge bulk stacks to maximize their retainer slots. Even though plenty of players like myself have the gil to capitalize on their supersaver costco sized deals, if you check the price history you'll see we never do.

We're so fed up with goldspamming and being undercut into oblivion by bots that we are happy to buy 5329 shards from someone we know isn't a bot at 40 gil instead of 9999 at 20 gil from Hygthidyesg.

My point is just that enough gil is generated from legitimate players to keep this economy rolling without them.