BRD: Venom Bite negligible

[Rilr]

Maybe you have low crit chance because of gear that's why you're not benefiting a lot from River of Blood, I have 480+ without food.

Wasting TP? I've never had TP problems because I cross-skill Invigorate from lancer

I believe that he messed up his cooldowns somewhere, not applying his buffs onto his DoTs. It's most likely not a gear problem since looking at his Lodestone, he has relic and full DL.

[Viridiana]

I believe that he messed up his cooldowns somewhere, not applying his buffs onto his DoTs. It's most likely not a gear problem since looking at his Lodestone, he has relic and full DL.

Gear level isn't the only thing to look at. Compare his stats with mine: He has 28 more accuracy than I do, and 28 less critical hit rate. I'm already not missing*, meaning his extra accuracy is going to waste; meanwhile I'd be critting more than he is. Considering that our DOT crits feed into RoB, you can see how this would lead to vastly different numbers.

*I don't know what the requirements are for Coil off-hand, but up through Titan I've seen 0 misses.

[Thotor]

I did test DPS on dummy with and without DoTs or only one of them. Each times DPS was lower. DoTs are a very important part of Bard's DPS.
Bloodletter procs is what makes us a strong dps anyway.

The straight shot proc is less and less effective as our gears goes up since we already have an high crit rate. The impact of getting procs for straight shot have minimal influence on our dps. However procs of bloodletter will make our dps go up and down depending on luck.

[Lecreuset]

with new gear my Crit dropped to 465 but River of Blood procs is still pretty good

[elementxstyle]

I'm pretty much full on Darklight gear with an AF2 helmet and relic weapon. Truth be told with Darklight I'm way over Accuracy cap and there's nothing I can do to itemize more efficiently. Though even with all the Accuracy I have, I have 444 Crit Rating. The one thing that you guys are failing to realize is that while Venomous Bite = 100 potency + 210 dot potency. This damage happens over 18 seconds. If you completely replace this shot in rotation with Heavy Shot over the course of 18 seconds.

Venomous Bite = 100 potency + 210 dot potency (18 seconds) = 310
Heavy Shot = 150 potency + 7 extra shots (within 18 seconds) = 1200 potency

This is a direct comparison of how valuable each shot is over the course of the duration. And whether or not the damage over time potency is negligible and worth consuming 20 extra TP and 4 seconds of direct dmg downtime to apply the dot in the first place. The damage you accrue from replacing the entire shot with a shot with 50 more potency and over it's duration a lot more damage more than makes up for the loss of a chance at River of Blood. Again, there is a DPS rotation in favor of more direct damage and a DPS rotation that is HEAVILY dependent on River of Blood. It's a good source of DPS but I think in the end it shouldn't be our source of direct damage. I appreciate everyone's feedback, and this is what theorycrafting is all about. Think outside the box!

[Xenob]

Venomous Bite = 100 potency + 210 dot potency (18 seconds) = 310
Heavy Shot = 150 potency + 7 extra shots (within 18 seconds) = 1200 potency

You are looking at it wrong. You only use one gcd every 18 seconds for the dot. So you would only gain 1 heavy shot.

310 (with a chance at bloodletter) vs 150 potency should win everyone.

[glen7187]

So you are saying, with the 18 seconds that Venomous Bite has, you constantly shoot Heavy shot for a total of 8 shots:
Heavy Shot = 8 shots * 150 potency = 1200

You compared that to Venomous Bite by itself which is 100 potency + 210 dot potency = 310 potency
but while the dot is on, wouldn't you being using Heavy Shot anyway??? Let's say I replace 1 Heavy Shot with Venomous Bite. Then within that span of 18 seconds its:
Venomous Bite + 7 Heavy shots = 310 potency + (7 shots * 150) = 1360 potency

So adding Venomous Bite gives you more potency than doing only Heavy Shots within that 18 seconds time frame not to mention it procs for Bloodletters inbetween meaning more potency...

Wouldn't that still make Venomous Bite a significant part of your rotation?

[elementxstyle]

You wouldn't get 7 heavy shots with a Venomous Bite in the rotation you would get 6. Since you're using a GCD to apply it. Though even with that math you get 1210 potency. You might be right. Well, it was worth exploring lol

[glen7187]

Well Heavy Shot uses GCD too... So if you were originally doing 8 Heavy Shots and you replace one with Venomous Bite you should still get 7 Heavy Shots off in the same time frame you're just switching the skill. The timing is the same. But yeah it's still worth exploring and good information for people to know!

[Thotor]

Wtf you guys are on about.
Venomous Bite > Heavy Shot. End of story.
It does not matter that Heavy shot does more damage on initial hit and venomous bite take 18 sec for pull potential.

DPS isn't about saving TP. It's about doing the most damage.

The only argument do explore is proc comparison , plus the fact DoTs benefits from Buffs even after they have faded.
I already explained above why Bloodletter proc is more important anyway.