Do you think bard desired a nerfing soon.

[MalcolmReynolds]

who is this most people you speak of? you mean people on this forum? or people you know? and why is over popular such a negitive thing? most people would agree that monks are more skill based than other classes so could this mean that there are players who dont know how to play there class? it does leave the door open for the possiblity that someone like yourself might not know the best way to play there class

Insulting the way he plays, huh? That's what we're resorting to? Quite an argument you have there. Very solid. There are two ways to go about this really...actually try to have a conversation or just ignore him and almost every other DPS class aside from BRDs, log back in, get your quick invite into a nice party (because you know, BRDs are preferred over most DPS...I wonder if that somehow means they are improperly balanced...no, can't be), and continue about your way, spamming your simple rotation while not having to worry about the danger of getting hit by enemy attacks.

instead of crying on forums they went out and learned to play haha

I'm not the best Dragoon in the world but I can guarantee you I can pull more DPS than most Dragoons that are equally as geared as me. That isn't the issue. The issue is BRDs being able to lay down their keyboard, just roll their face over it, and still end up near the top of the charts while DRG and to a much greater extent MNK require much more focus to achieve the same results.

But this thread is pointless because people won't see eye to eye, nor does it matter if they do as it's really in SE's hands. The nerf bat is coming. How they decide to go about it is uncertain.

[Geographer]

The only problem I see with bards is that they can stack their songs with other bards. This makes their utility too good to not stack up. Simply make it so that songs cancel the previous one out and you will have more incentive to bring other classes. One other issue here isn't directly with bards, but it is the lack of viable interrupts for other classes that make bards more appealing. Why not give other classes viable interrupts so that bard stacking can be discouraged?

I don't really see an issue with DPS here. DPS is DPS, if every class meets the viable threshold then there really shouldn't be anything to talk about. DPS is also reliant on player skill so when you're comparing x to y, player skill becomes a tricky factor you have to take into account.

Other than these issues, there's nothing wrong with Bards. People really shouldn't complain so much especially for a class that synergises with everything, ie, everyone benefits from having a Bard in the party.

[silentwindfr]

drg can't really run out of tp...
mnk i haven't done long fight recently, but since you can get the restore tp, it's possible to manage it.

the caster get the bonus of damage true
the healer get the regen mana.
tank can need tp song, but rarely the brd will be close enough...

what the people point is the fact that the brd have a freedom of mouvement, debuff,buff and range. i think the bard need to loose a bit of him freedom for some technic, get a more deep cycle will be welcome.

[Jayded]

Na they probably won't nerf bard since 90% of their playerbase play bards, and the 10% that don't are strongly considering rerolling. No problem with bards, they're not op..nope.

[Gallows]

I don't really see an issue with DPS here. DPS is DPS, if every class meets the viable threshold then there really shouldn't be anything to talk about. DPS is also reliant on player skill so when you're comparing x to y, player skill becomes a tricky factor you have to take into account.

And I think this is where most people see the issue with bards. Compared to other classes player skill is largely irrelevant. The class is ranged, has 100% mobility, all instant cast attacks, no positional requirements, no combo limitations. Too many advantages, too much ez mode.

[Geographer]

And I think this is where most people see the issue with bards. Compared to other classes player skill is largely irrelevant. The class is ranged, has 100% mobility, all instant cast attacks, no positional requirements, no combo limitations. Too many advantages, too much ez mode.

If you are correct, then this makes me very sad. Not the fact that song-stacking is too advantageous, not the fact that their interrupt takes priority -- but that their simple proc-based rotation is what's causing the complaining? We need to slaughter some sheep here, seriously. If your class is more challenging to play, well that's just good game design, no? Although I love bards, I personally was disappointed in its simple proc-based rotation, which I think is a bit lazy in design. But why the hell do people believe this is the big issue? It isn't. The way that Bards are dealing damage may be icing on the cake on top of other issues, but complaining about this is just asking for it to be the scapegoat of what is truly wrong with bards. If there is a nerf to bards, it would be to the way that songs are designed as of now. If this was addressed, then the constriction of end-game lineup for DPS classes would be alleviated.

Every DPS class can perform well, but it's the fact that Bards synergise with everyone, but way too well with themselves, that is causing problems.

Sheeps really need to stop spouting garbage about DPS. It really, really isn't the true issue here.

[Bulwyf]

This is what I know from playing MMOs from Ultima Online when it first went live to practically every major MMO since then till now: when one class is this highly played and this much of a gigantic advantage over every other class in its role ....the nerf bat is coming. It never fails. Right now the ONLY REASON to ever bring a melee DPS in an instance is for the limit break. Every other advantage goes to the bard and ranged dps as a whole. The number of players playing just bards is skyrocketing.

The nerf bat will swing. It is just a matter of when and how much it will hurt.

[NeonC]

What instances are Bards far superior to other DPS? New to MMO's and started Bard, but as I play Dragoon now I wish I started as them. Much more fun and can take a beating.

[ilJumperMT]

I have both bard and monk to 50 as you can see. Bards are flat out op. too much utility and mobility for their dps, however instead of nerfing how about fixing melee class?

Currently melee classes are useless. The only reason to ever take a melee class is LB, which is not needed in coil.

[ChaozK]

I have both bard and monk to 50 as you can see. Bards are flat out op. too much utility and mobility for their dps, however instead of nerfing how about fixing melee class?

Currently melee classes are useless. The only reason to ever take a melee class is LB, which is not needed in coil.

Ironically some groups like to run 1 DRG/3 Bard, so that the dragoon can use disembovel to reduce piercing resistance, therefore buffing each of the 3 Bards by 10% (as well as himself).