High-level crafters beware: You get suspended if you sell to players who bought gil

[Acelynne]

All it will take is a GM checking transaction logs between two people. Especially if you see something like "Bone chip Bisasdfasdf -> Matata 10,000,000 G". 'Bis' = Bismarck server, for example.

Because the easiest way to suspect a player for participating in possible RMT activities is via monetary and trade transaction logs, GMs and the STF will flag those players and investigate them. But, remember: It has to go from RMT player to legitimate player or legitimate player to RMT player. If they find that you were trading large amounts of Gil to/from an RMT player within a day or regularly and repeatedly, you will possibly be banned permanently. And, they can check IP addresses of each player. It would make sense since Square-Enix has banned IP ranges in FFXI. I am sure Square-Enix has a list of IP addresses belonging to known RMT companies, possibly known proxy and VPN servers used by them, and possibly country of origin that have high RMT activity like China.

[tyrianna324]

With the amount of threads about this same subject over and over im thinking of one of two things either A) i save my money now and dont bother paying a sub fee and go play another game that wont ban me for actually following their rules of B) stop using the market board all together and just sell my crafts to the NPC and let my retainers hold my cash that i earn. Im opting for the second option although the first option is looking mighty tempting since i dont want to put real cash into a sub fee to get banned a week later for absolutely no reason what so ever. SE really screwed up on this one and they will lose alot of players from this fiasco.

[Adelphe]

Is it me or does SE make an awful lot of mistakes? and never apologize for them? i dont buy and sell and i dont craft, but i'd like to think i could and not get banned, seriously SE not our fault you let so many RMT on your servers.

[davidbowie]

I farm every item i use to craft they can look at the logs to prove it, i have no need to buy crystals and have no need to buy any mats also i have no control on who buys from my listings on market that is square enix job and they should be more diligent.

to be honest i don't believe 99% of what i read in forums half the crap is made up just to stir the pot and most the truth is left out.

[joshdavis271]

This is more supicious to me, if a guy named Asdf Asdf has suddenly acquired 10,000,000,000 Gil

[NefarioCall]

By a rule, i never buy anything on the markets from retainers with RMT like names.

[Acelynne]

Put it this way:

If you see a Retainer selling a single crystal, bone chip, or some kind of benign item in increments of 1 mil, 2 mil, 10 mil, or 50 mil gil. Report it. They're either going to a) Trap a legitimate player who accidentally buys it or b) It's meant for someone selling Gil to an RMT player.

Or, it can also be the opposite: A mule of a non-RMT player buying Gil by putting up a benign item up for sale so an RMT player will buy it off him or her for a VERY SPECIFIC amount. Again, report the Retainer. Their Retainer is linked to the account and player anyhow, so they'll be screwed.

Again, I would not be surprised these tactics will be done similarly in FFXIV as it was in FFXI. Someone will have to receive or trade the Gil anyway. Trading Gil may be also monitored as it was in FFXI, so even if they exchange Gil away from the Market Board, there's still a chance it'll be flagged by the GM and/or STF. Like they say when it comes to money-related crimes in real life-- there's ALWAYS a paper trail. Here's there's always a log of who traded who and how much they received.

Remember: Unlike FFXI, Market Board items now show what the item is selling for. They're no longer hidden.

[LiadansWhisper]

This is our game. It is what we make it. If you can't take 5 minutes to look up someone on lodestone then yes, you are possibly supporting Gil Buying. If someone comes up to you and says 'I want 6 pieces of HQ Vanya, melded with 5 materia' and he is in nothing but AF, you seriously wouldn't see a red flag? This is millions of gil worth of a sale, and you'd just take it without looking? Yes he'd probably just go somewhere else to get it, but let that guy get suspended. These bans won't be permanent, but its not unreasonable to see people accepting paydays like this to be investigated.

I do feel bad for the people who made one small sale at a time to legitimate buyers and got banned in this blanket, but something had to be done about all this gil being shoved in from RMT. Was this the right choice? idk...

I'm just curious...and perhaps someone has already asked this..but uh, how exactly do you research your buyers on the Marketboard?

serves crafters right for selling even normal relic weapons for 300k gil when normal person gets 250k at 50

I had 350k by the time I hit 50, and I'm not a huge auctioneer.

Well, if you want to talk about real life law, possession of stolen goods is a crime. So, let's say that hobo off the street robbed a bank to get that cash, then gave it to you for the Ferrari. You are now subject to criminal investigation while the police determine whether or not you knew the cash was stolen.

Knowing posession of stolen goods is a crime. If you're given money in good faith that you have no way of knowing was illegally obtained, you have committed absolutely no crime under criminal statutes in the US. Now, it may be that it's different in other countries, but here, beyond a cursory investigation to make sure your story checks out, you're fine.

And no, you don't get arrested.

[Molly_Millions]

This thread almost makes me happy I stay broke. 1mil for any item in this game is nothing short of robbery, you're damn right people buy Gil to afford that crap.

[Sotek]

This thread almost makes me happy I stay broke. 1mil for any item in this game is nothing short of robbery, you're damn right people buy Gil to afford that crap.

Depends entirely on the server, but... If people want me to sell Vanya for less, they could start by selling Potash for less...

That is a major part of the problem with this gear, actually... They set the requirement far too high for this stuff... 9 Potash/Coke/etc is nothing short of ridiculous, making a full set of crafted gear require over three times the amount of tomestones... This means nobody is really getting the stuff, not the amount of people I'd hope to see at least... There is a fairly huge demand for this stuff (thanks in no small part to requiring 9 per synth), since it is used for the only worthwhile crafted gear, and a very small supply. That pushes the cost of the items up (or rather, stops the ridiculous prices from falling down). Coupled with that, you now have a small supply for the gear itself, as well as a (hopefully) large demand seeing as its easily better than Darklight (and doesn't require throwing your face at Praetorium for hours). Again, prices are high because of this.

This really isn't the crafters fault, it is Squares for guffing up endgame so damn badly, and it is Squares for failing to do anything about RMT (we still have Tell/Shout bots, etc.)... They set up endgame such that the supply/demand for this stuff was going to be ridiculous, and now they're banning people for playing off basic economic principles...

That's OK though, crafting was really the only thing I had to do while waiting for weekly caps to pass (again, another problem). Hmmm... Now that I can be banned for using the bleedin' Market Board, I wonder what I'll do until Monday... I swear, it is like they want this game to fail again... Binding Coil is really the only redeeming thing I've run across so far, lets hope five turns can carry me over to 2.2? Christ... 2.1 better be amazing... With Crystal Tower being a stepping stone I've already stepped, I doubt it though...