OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

[Kalagg]

Succor spamming is a sure sign of a bad scholar. You sacred soil, succor and then you and your faerie single target heal. Its not as hard as the bad scholars keep making it out to be.

And if you are commenting on my gear saying I haven't done endgame content just wow. The WoW mentality of gear makes the player is pathetic. As a good healer you don't need gear to properly heal your groups.

With double scholar the key is communication so you don't overwrite the other guys shield. It also helps if you set targets for who heals what, you both don't focus on the whole 8 man you only have to worry about yourself and 3 other people, making it the same as healing a 4 man dungeon run.

I find scholar to be either balanced or OP as it sits now, some of the stuff a good player can do with this class makes you feel bad but you also laugh at the same time.

[Kalagg]

The big problem is all these horrible players keep coming in here trying to say we suck and they are also trying to play our class like a white mage. We are not a white mage and never will be. And sometimes its not the scholar that's horrible its the rest of the group. A bad tank that doesn't dodge mechanics makes your life miserable, bad dps that don't dodge mechanics because it lowers their dps meter are just the same. I've had to yell at both of these before in groups. Its easier to fix these bad behaviors in your free company than it is a PUG but this is the biggest reason for most scholar complaints.

You don't have the tools to heal all 8 people at once, you can medic all 8 people and then spot heal to full. There is nothing wrong with that mechanic but if you are lazy and don't know how to macro/change targets quickly you will suck at this class, period.

Most of the complaining is coming from those such people, not understanding the jobs strengths and weaknesses and finding out ways to minimize the weaknesses.

[Kalagg]

Also the pet AI is not as horrible as everyone keeps making it out to be. The huge issue is it doesn't heal like those people want it to heal, guess what, its computer code and its extremely predictable because it always does exactly what its programmed to do. Learn to adapt your playstyle to account for this, the code is not going to change just because you want it to.

[Kalagg]

The point is that Succor does not work together with another SCH. Why would it be bad to have the Succor Shield stack to like 2 or 3, it would essentially work the same way it would just make it = to 2 WHM.

No problem, yea the forums aren't updating avatars for some reason. I don't tend to rely on that stuff when looking at the content of someone's post. As I keep saying there are just tons of people complaining instead of making themselves better players. I get mad seeing all the complaints when honestly most of it can be worked around.

I really don't see the need for stacking shields. Would it be nice, sure, it just seems to be game breaking and would totally trivialize all of the content that currently exists. As a lot of the white mage's in this thread keep pointing out, the potential for abuse is far too great for something like that. I can see them being pushed out of groups for double scholar's with a stacking shield mechanic.

[Itchyness]

I'm going to personally level a SCH so i can compare between WHM and SCH. As it sits right now, it just seems that every SCH that i get paired with, they can't really keep up with heals as easy as i can. Obviously i can be horribly wrong, as many have already pointed out. We just need more people having both sides of the story and comparing it that way, instead of people with only either/or and saying "WE DA BEST, STFU GTFO".

[Kalagg]

My personal preference is to run White Mage/Scholar and its how my Free Company handles our content runs. Why? because its just too good of a combo. Its my personal preference because I get to be a total lazy ass. Most of the time I run the whole time with cleric stance on, turning it off to succor, then turning it back on and spot healing with it on.

Its really great because I don't have to waste cross class slots on protect and stoneskin and can instead put them into the dots and the thaumaturge abilities.

You honestly can't beat the dps a scholar can contribute to a fight in that setup. You have 8 dots you can add to the boss/fight one of which is a gtaoe that can help with adds as well, not to mention you can spread 3 of those dots to the adds.

People really need to learn to play the class better. You mitigate damage, you can add to the groups dps, your faerie is always healing even if you or the other healer can't. The complaints are unwarranted.

[Eriane]

I don't think stacking is the answer. Raising effective health by that much would be game breaking.
But how can you ignore that in content that is balanced for two healers and that uses heavy aoe dmg mechanics that two scholars don't step on each other. No one has yet to answer me if mitigation skills stack, like eye, virus etc. But shields do not, whether its the st shield or aoe shield. So two scholars are expected to heal a raid with a single aoe shield with a potency of 150, and spam physick? I'm a whm and i don't see how two white mages could raid heal with cure 1 even if we could mitigate some of the damage beforehand.

Most aoe dmg isn't constant, there is usually what, 10sec? between the raid getting smashed? Unless you are over geared how the heck do you propose two scholars fill a raids health up in time with... for your gear lvl... 700 for a physick? maybe 750? When most dps have over 3k health and its not like damage stops. So more than likely one sch still has to stay on the tank.

[Kalagg]

No one has yet to answer me if mitigation skills stack, like eye, virus etc... So two scholars are expected to heal a raid with a single aoe shield with a potency of 150, and spam physick? I'm a whm and i don't see how two white mages could raid heal with cure 1 even if we could mitigate some of the damage beforehand.

I've honestly never checked if virus and eye for an eye stack but I will look into it for you over the weekend as we have some summoners I can test it with.

The one thing you are forgetting is that in that instance you have 4 healers spamming the equivalent of physick. 2 scholars also gives you 2 faeries which also have embrace. You would not believe how quickly 8 people go back to full with 4 healers spamming single target heals and only 2 of the 8 man slots have a healer class in them. 2 white mages versus 2 scholars isn't an apples to apples comparison for single target healing.

[Kalagg]

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Another thing to remember when things don't stack is that they have x amount of time that they can be on target, if you have 2 scholars on voice communication you can alternate those non stacking skills so they last even longer on the target, that is HUGE. Virus only lasts 10s with a 90s recast, you increase that to 20s and you only have 70s of downtime on it. With eye for an eye you increase the time it has the chance to proc to a full 60s which means only 20s of it not being on the target during the fight, again that's a big deal.

[ApolloGenX]

My personal preference is to run White Mage/Scholar and its how my Free Company handles our content runs. Why? because its just too good of a combo..

Mine, too. I have played with some really good scholars and just been amazed at what they could do....at the end of fights I found myself think "Man, if something drops and the SCH gets it- THEY DESERVE IT- WOW"

The difference between healing with another whm or a good scholar is just night and day.