OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

[sharazisspecial]

1500 hp shield goes in the blink of an eye and it takes 15 seconds and 2400 mana to put up

Mechanics intended to one shot mechanics should always one shot.

Stacking shields up to a cap which se determines is balanced or converting the no effect shields into healing

Either way would fix sch stacking

24 man whm stacking would still have to be nerfed by limiting maximum amount of regen/medica2 on a single target to 3 per effect. 6 regens and 6 medica 2 would be a 1500 potency regen effect ticking on tank for only 2 gcd of each whm.

That would be around 3500hp healed every 3 seconds with my current gear(full DL and +1relic) . Divine sealed that would be 4550hp per 3 second. LoL i would like to see that in action >_> .I can only imagine what crazy hps it would become with full af2, mind potions and critical strikes factored in. The most broken thing about it that it is passive healing. The whms are free to do other things while regens are healing everyone.

[kronpas]

@ Celsius cuz i keep breaking the quote thing and the length issues...

Its not like i don't see where you are coming from.. if the shield mechanics on your aoe were somehow tweaked to allow for healing when people are fully shielded your potency would be just as good as medica which would be fine. It should come at a cost of some sort but i'm not disagreeing.

I really do find it dumb that once shielded you are healing with 150 potency. god forbid there are two sch doing that.. but my point is maybe you shouldn't be. If your partner is a whm support him/her to raid heal while you efficiently heal the tank and also top up and shield the party so the whm can regen mana. If there are two scholars... i dunno what se was thinking... maybe double fairy regen plus st heals.. i dont' know. maybe make the dmg mitigation from various skill stack like eye, virus, soil etc.

I don't understand if sch are asking to raid heal alone or if they are actually trying to addres the sch synergy issues. Sch/sch issues are real, pet issues are real. I'm not sure that sch needing to be raid healers is an issue.

You are the only one with sensible answer here. Most WHMs in here reacted like tmr is the end of the world when SCHs asking for their issues being addressed. Right now at Titan and up in appropriate gear level 2SCH cant function, unless you are in exceptional group to avoid all unavoidable damage (which is a dream for most of us). SCH/WHM works but WHM/WHM also works, without sacrificing much healing prowess.

in 24m, even if medica 2 is limited on one's party, 6 regens ticking on maintank for sure will dwarf anything SCHs can come up with.

[Jarlax]

The stacking regen and medica II with lots of WHM will be kind of ridiculous, lets hope that SE is aware of this and can think of a way to balance it properly, I think a solution could be a stacking buff with different timers and the same kinda deal for a SCH and shields that allow multiple stacks of the same buff but limit those stacks to x number, but each stack has its own duration attached to the caster, and this could also allow multiple stacks of things like succor "whatever they wanted to allow".

The difference being that only "your" timer shows on "your" screen and the system takes care of the stacks and the spell icon displays with a small 2 in the corner, or whatever-.

[Lifendeath]

A good scholar is very noticeable all i've read from the whiners are apples to oranges arguments and really the crux of the issue i'm seeing is Scholars want to play like a WHM, but you can't and don't want to accept that fact. As always the Vocal minority are bitching on the forums and scholars enjoying their job are in game getting better.

[Kalagg]

A good scholar is very noticeable all i've read from the whiners are apples to oranges arguments and really the crux of the issue i'm seeing is Scholars want to play like a WHM, but you can't and don't want to accept that fact. As always the Vocal minority are bitching on the forums and scholars enjoying their job are in game getting better.

Totally agreed, the bads will continue to whine while the rest of us chug away with a good FC and work with/around any possible things that creep up. So far those are far and few between.

[Eriane]

Totally agreed, the bads will continue to whine while the rest of us chug away with a good FC and work with/around any possible things that creep up. So far those are far and few between.

I'm honestly just asking. I play a whm. So then what do two good scholars do if they need to raid heal in heavy aoe. Assuming your party only makes the occasional slip up. Do you st heal? can your damage mitigation stack? Or do you both spam succor and sync fairies?

edit: Also i don't mean to be rude, but it looks like you haven't even touched end game content. unless you have another character... I think calling people bads when you haven't had to experience content for yourself is a stretch don't you?

[Ruprect]

Totally agreed, the bads will continue to whine while the rest of us chug away with a good FC and work with/around any possible things that creep up. So far those are far and few between.

Lol since you have been a SCH for what an hour you defenitely know what the issues are. I did not have any issues with SCH till endgame and I really dont have any now other than 2 SCH will not happen in any group, its just a terrible combo. SCH as it would seem is a tank healer and raid support, which is fine with me, that is what I hoped it would be and it ended up that way. I dont really see any whining that it is too hard to tank heal, I think people would just like to be able have the option to take 2 SCH into an 8 man or 24 man when they come out if they do not have enough WHM and an extra SCH.

Succor spamming is a sure sign of a bad scholar. You sacred soil, succor and then you and your faerie single target heal. Its not as hard as the bad scholars keep making it out to be.

And if you are commenting on my gear saying I haven't done endgame content just wow. The WoW mentality of gear makes the player is pathetic. As a good healer you don't need gear to properly heal your groups.

With double scholar the key is communication so you don't overwrite the other guys shield. It also helps if you set targets for who heals what, you both don't focus on the whole 8 man you only have to worry about yourself and 3 other people, making it the same as healing a 4 man dungeon run.

I ran out of posts for today, I hope you find this here. I apologize, when I first looked at your char shot on the left I swear it said Lvl 32 ACN, that is where my comment came from, it had nothing to do with your gear but the fact that it looked like you hit SCH right before you got on the forums. Also you cannot overwrite a shield the new shield just fails. I don't disagree with what you are saying, the only issue I see is that it is still more beneficial to take 2 WHM over 2 SCH. Not that SCH are not useful they are just much less useful as 2 SCH. The point is that Succor does not work together with another SCH. Why would it be bad to have the Succor Shield stack to like 2 or 3, it would essentially work the same way it would just make it = to 2 WHM.

[Ruprect]

I'm honestly just asking. I play a whm. So then what do two good scholars do if they need to raid heal in heavy aoe. Assuming your party only makes the occasional slip up. Do you st heal? can your damage mitigation stack? Or do you both spam succor and sync fairies?

edit: Also i don't mean to be rude, but it looks like you haven't even touched end game content. unless you have another character... I think calling people bads when you haven't had to experience content for yourself is a stretch don't you?

The best way would be for one of the SCH to cast Succor and then both just use physic to spot heal. The ideal would be for one SCH to precast Succor before the Aoe and then another after both ST physic to top off. It is not impossible but just kind of a waste. The best way to use succor IMO is to learn the fights so you can precast it for the shield and mitigate the damage so you have a little more time to top everyone off.

[Eriane]

Lol since you have been a SCH for what an hour you defenitely know what the issues are. I did not have any issues with SCH till endgame and I really dont have any now other than 2 SCH will not happen in any group, its just a terrible combo. SCH as it would seem is a tank healer and raid support, which is fine with me, that is what I hoped it would be and it ended up that way. I dont really see any whining that it is too hard to tank heal, I think people would just like to be able have the option to take 2 SCH into an 8 man or 24 man when they come out if they do not have enough WHM and an extra SCH.

Agreed. The sch/sch issue isn't really one anyone can ignore. Even if it is not intended for end game content dungeon finder does exist. And so do casual players who may want to get into raid content without a reliable fc. It will happen that a raid has to deal with sch/sch, and atm without voice chat and serious coop it seems harder than needed.

[kronpas]

A good scholar is very noticeable all i've read from the whiners are apples to oranges arguments and really the crux of the issue i'm seeing is Scholars want to play like a WHM, but you can't and don't want to accept that fact. As always the Vocal minority are bitching on the forums and scholars enjoying their job are in game getting better.

No, the crux of the issue is that most WHMs think they know what SCHs actually want and post accordingly. Most likely those ignorant WHMs cant read past the first post of a thread also, lolz.