One of the reasons WoW had 14 million subscribers

[FatherKolgrim]

who cares, do you honeslty think a multimillion dollar company will miss your $12.99 these post are so ridiculous is the equivalent of a toddler throwing a fit for attention. So long Good Bye log out go play wow which has been so watered down you can lay your head on keyboard and still win

[Reslin]

Intsant abilities were actually instant, unlike in this game, where instant abilities have 1-2 second delays, because i really need a silence with a 1.5 second delay....thanks SE /sarcasm

One of the reasons WoW has 14,000,000 subscribers is because it was released in a time where people were burnt out and miffed at other mmo's. There was no real competition. Most mmo's also weren't casual friendly. WoW brought mmo's to a wider market and got many people into gaming that were otherwise uninterested. For years it had no real rival, for years people developed connections, guild attachments, made friends, and etc. These people play other mmo's but then just get nostalgic for WoW moving back there. No game will likely hit that number of subs again unless it completely revolutionizes the genre in the same way.

[Ryuni]

Yeah, I don't think this game is going to get that many people.

Not unless they implement something radically appealing and new enough to gain the attention of the mass market.
Don't get me wrong, it is good as a whole. But it's average in its core mechanics and progression.



Hence why he said "had".

Definitely, FFXIV doesn't bring anything amazingly new into the MMO genre, it's just the normal basic MMO with the feature of job system. But what really pulled me into this game is how refined and charming the game is. Almost every feature has thoughts put behind them and interface looks neat.
There will be people that disagree, but opinions are just that, opinions.

I'm really liking the game, it has stolen so many hours of my life already and I don't regret it.

[blitz72]

I like how all the white knights are completely disregarding his actual point to the thread and focusing on the word "WoW".... Instant cast abilities that aren't instant lol

[Moirear]

One of the main reasons WoW had so many subscribers was peer pressure.

I like how all the white knights are completely disregarding his actual point to the thread and focusing on the word "WoW".... Instant cast abilities that aren't instant lol

It's a question of pace. If you don't like it, nobody's forcing you to play it. This is not some sort of twitch action game. If people don't like the ATB system in, say, FF VII, they don't play it, either, and go play some more real-time action type RPG like an Elder Scrolls game or The Witcher or whatever. Keep in mind though that there are people who enjoy the combat system's pace the way it is.


Also, really loving the use of White Knight here lately. If you disagree with a fan, you're a troll. If you disagree with a hater, you're a white knight. It's like being called a noob in some action games—by terrible players who think they're way better than they actually are—when you're pwning them. Awesome.

[MaFi0s0]

The main reason WoW had 14 million subs was because of marketting in China.

[Alhanelem]

Your right, I do, which means less money for SE and less content for its players in the long run

So by all means go and do that, instead of pretending to be an expert on all of MMOdom. Nobody here will miss you.

The fact that you're here posting means you're not going to though. People who actually quit don't come here and post to say so.

[KimimiAvesta]

For years it had no real rival, for years people developed connections, guild attachments, made friends, and etc .These people play other mmo's but then just get nostalgic for WoW moving back there. No game will likely hit that number of subs again unless it completely revolutionizes the genre in the same way.

It's probably less nostalgia and more to do with perfectly valid criticism about any other MMO they try being countered with "Go back to WoW". It's no wonder they do when the options are between a fresh MMO with little content with a haughty "We're better than WoW" player-base and one they're familiar with and can raise issues about without anyone saying "Go back to EverQuest!".

It's a question of pace. If you don't like it, nobody's forcing you to play it. This is not some sort of twitch action game. If people don't like the ATB system in, say, FF VII, they don't play it, either, and go play some more real-time action type RPG like an Elder Scrolls game or The Witcher or whatever. Keep in mind though that there are people who enjoy the combat system's pace the way it is.

One minute we're being told we have to do real-time dodging to avoid AOEs and if we don't react fast enough it's our own problem but apparently abilities labelled "instant" that don't go off instantly (not an unreasonable request) is OK? What is FFXIV? If it's not an action game then they need to stop making me dodge like I'm playing one; and if it is then my abilities need to match the pace my feet are expected to move at (which apparently is so fast that on occasion I'm required to be able to see into the future o.O).

[Gramul]

Anyway, on the "instant" abilities, I believe its an issue with game balance and timing.
If they made it truly instant, they would have to totally restructure how many of the strategy based bosses are fought. Which is most of the appeal in the battle system in the first place.

[PoiPoiKuroi]

Wow, its getting really toxic inside here aswell...
By all means, getting EU servers really located in europe would benefit alot. I really dont know why anyone would defend against that?