OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

[Eriane]

Lol cross skills.. yea not gonna lie, thats an issue. I don't know whats worse, that whm get good cross class skills from sch and give such bad ones or that the ones we give are just so terrible in the first place....

They really should just make the traited skills cross over.

[ApolloGenX]

Really fanservice, thats all i'm aksing for. i want WHM's Niche to be AOE healing and i dont wanna take that form them. im glad you actually see where im coming from.

I actually haven't disagreed with a lot of your and fans latest post. In fact, I have supported most of it. I agree on the pet issues. I have agreed with fixing the pet 100 potency/reducing CD.

I even agreed that the issue of SCH x 2 penalty should be addressed. I disagree that the answer is giving SCH a direct group heal... the reason is that it doesn't fix the shield overlap issue- it just buffs the class... and because it takes focus off the pet.

That doesn't mean that I don't think that SCH should get some kind of mechanic to fix the penalty- I actually do- I'm just not sure what it can be without homogenizing. Shield stacking is dangerous, especially with 24 man content on the horizon.

[Celsius]

Maybe.. they could fix pet AI and tie a better aoe to the pet?

[ApolloGenX]

Maybe.. they could fix pet AI and tie a better aoe to the pet?

That is what I am hoping for!

[sharazisspecial]

They could give an aetherflow ability to convert all shields within 20 yards into equivilant healing

Or they can make sacred soil pulse the shield converting effect every 3 seconds or so. Soil is quite meh for an aetherflow ability considering eye for an eye and virus can be crossed class.

Sch is a much weaker tank healer then whm when they lose aetherflow. They barely compare to whm. During 1 or no aetherflow times.

2 sch succor shields should stack.2 succor shields is equivalent to 1 adloquium shield or 1 whm stone skin.

Adloquium and whm stone skins are not trivilising content in anyway . So 2 succors would be fine. If 2 succors ever trivilise content then adloquium and whm stoneskin would be doing be doing so too at that point anyways.

SE can just make one shot mechanics ignore shields. They don't need to anyways since they already hit for rediculous numbers.

[ApolloGenX]

2 sch succor shields should stack.2 succor shields is equivalent to 1 adloquium shield or 1 whm stone skin.

What about 24 man content? Two SCH would be okay... but you would be right back here complaining that 4 whms were better than 4 SCH. They need to fix the SCH penalty, and stacking won't do it without causing issues.

Pet heals would work and safetly scale.

[sharazisspecial]

They could also rework shield mechanics. Make schs own shield spells and others stack with each other up to hp cap.
The maximum shield amount on target would be the amount of 1 critical adloquium. So a single sch can do 6 succors or 2400 mana stacking the shield to prevent 1500 damage or 2 sch could use 3 succors for 1200 mana to prevent 1500 damage.
That would be double sch fixed for 8 man.

For 24 man i think that having more then 3 of one class abilities should be penalised. So 1 target cannot more then 3 regens or more then3 medica2 regens. . So 3 whm would be good but 4,5 or 6 would be passable due but not optimal. If medica 2 and regen stack up 6 or more in raids. Whm stacking and maybe 1 sch would be optimal party setup.

[ApolloGenX]

They could also rework shield mechanics. Make schs own shield spells and others stack with each other up to hp cap.
The maximum shield amount on target would be the amount of 1 critical adloquium. So a sch can spend like 6 succors or 2400 mana stacking the shield to prevent 1500 damage or 2 sch could use 3 succors to prevent 1500 damage.
That would sch fixed for 8 man.

For 24 man i think that having more then 3 of one class abilities should be penalised. So 1 target cannot more then 3 regens or more then3 medica2 regens. . So 3 whm would be good but 4,5 or 6 would be passable due but not optimal. If medica 2 and regen stack up 6 or more in raids. Whm stacking and maybe 1 sch would be optimal party setup.

Okay... assuming the potential for this to be abused aside... it still doesn't give SCH any way to effectively fill health up any faster...So, you are still trying to heal the raid at half potency, right? Just like now?

[sharazisspecial]

Okay... assuming the potential for this to be abused aside... it still doesn't give SCH any way to effectively fill health up any faster...So, you are still trying to heal the raid at half potency, right? Just like now?

That would be double sch's weakness. They would be spending 3 gcds each (15 seconds total) to preemptively mitigate what a single whm can heal in 1 single gcd of 2.5 seconds.

[ApolloGenX]

That would sch weakness

So, the only issue is- how to balance encounters for a potential 1500+ shield on everyone all the time? When you have say 3 whms and 1 scholar, those mechanics might 1 shot people.

You can't just ignore shields... or that would make the shield stacking worthless... and SCH would complain.