OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

[ApolloGenX]

No, becasue a WHM can actually heal a tank through massive damage. Unlike SCH that depends on an AOe that cant even stack and is super mana inefficient. And no, i dont want massive buffs. i just want afix to the Pet AI and a better Aoe. it doesnt have to be on par with Medica one or medica 2 i just want to be able to contribute in AOe heavy healing situations. and its not speculation. in almost ALL MMO's endgame is very AoE heavy. WHM/SCH is the best combo right now because i can focus on keeping the tanks alive while the WHM heals up raid damage. the sad part is. is that the WHM can keep the tank up, Yet i cannot heal raid damage without chaincasting succor and pretty much OOMING myself in the process. (because face it most SCH's only use energy drain when they need to.)

Okay... if the whm was healing the tank... and you were raid healing...could you do it? I mean- it might cost you a ton of mana (it might take the whm a lot of mana)... but you could do it I bet.

Both healers can function (not necessarily be optimal... but function), in either capacity. Yes, SCH choke a bit on AE healing... the whm would choke on heavy spike tank damage... why is that a bad thing?

[Morthis]

I don't have a SCH at high level so I don't know how much of an issue it is, but I do have to say it's rather amusing to see people argue that "WHM needs a BRD to sustain mana" is fine but "SCH needs WHM to help AoE heal" is completely unacceptable. In both cases it's dependency on another class, but one is completely unacceptable and another is not. o.O

[ApolloGenX]

Potency wise whm much higher tank healing then sch. By around 900 potency every 10 seconds
When you factor in lustrate sch catches up and may beat whm in small period if chaining lustrates but whm also has benediction .

There is also the fact whm uses much less gcds to do immense healing to raid compared to sch.

I would be interested on the math here... I am going to go out on a limb and assume this is chaining cure 2s.......and I wonder how long the fight is...

[Eriane]

[QUOTE=Celsius;1333748] i just want afix to the Pet AI and a better Aoe. it doesnt have to be on par with Medica one or medica 2 i just want to be able to contribute in AOe heavy healing situations. [QUOTE]

How does a preshield on aoe for mitigation plus another shield while a whm mage uses medica 2 etc not contribute? Not counting the fairy and damage reduction you bring. Its another story if you are talking about two sch but thats also a shield mechanic not a potency issue.

[Celsius]

Its not a bad thing, i dont want to be as good as WHM's at healing up a raid. but the gap between my Aoe healing and a WHM's so so huge that it doesnt even compare to the fact that a whm is slightly less optimal for a group to use then a SCH. there are only a few abilities we have that make us usable. someone said an idea of having the shields heal for how ever much they have less is a great idea. not as good as medica 2 or 1 still unique to a SCH and allows us to use our only Aoe and not waste 400 mana doing it. and it dpeends apollo some fights i actually cant. i get 860 mana per minute. and succor takes 400 of that. i have 4.1k mana. if i was solely focusing on raid healing i STILL would not have enough (since succor heals for about 300, and most people in my group have 3.7k+ hp (besides me and the WHM)


Edit: Ariane, a 300 potency sheild is not good enough for the amount of damage a party takes in Coil right now. i'm not asking for a potency increase (if i did please tell me where i said that) i'm simply asking for better sheild mechanics again (popping the shield for more HP like someone said before is a really good idea)

[sharazisspecial]

I would be interested on the math here... I am going to go out on a limb and assume this is chaining cure 2s.......and I wonder how long the fight is...

Cure 2 costs much less mana then adloquium . You can spam cure 2 in nearly every coil fight since you bring bards to every thing. A sch trying to aoe heal will run out of mana faster then a whm trying to tank heal.
Energy drain misses in coil and makes sch fall more behind in healing then whm since they lose lustrate
Without lustrate it sch doesn't can't even touch whm's tank healing.

Also consider that whm have 33% uptime on divine seal and also that whm heals around 20-30hp more in equivilant gear.

[Celsius]

they also forget the fact that 4 of our traits are useless and pretty much meaningless to us (im considering the one that is a 20% chance to increase spell speed that any scholar goes balls crazy to actually see go off)

[Eriane]

@ Celsius cuz i keep breaking the quote thing and the length issues...

Its not like i don't see where you are coming from.. if the shield mechanics on your aoe were somehow tweaked to allow for healing when people are fully shielded your potency would be just as good as medica which would be fine. It should come at a cost of some sort but i'm not disagreeing.

I really do find it dumb that once shielded you are healing with 150 potency. god forbid there are two sch doing that.. but my point is maybe you shouldn't be. If your partner is a whm support him/her to raid heal while you efficiently heal the tank and also top up and shield the party so the whm can regen mana. If there are two scholars... i dunno what se was thinking... maybe double fairy regen plus st heals.. i dont' know. maybe make the dmg mitigation from various skill stack like eye, virus, soil etc.

I don't understand if sch are asking to raid heal alone or if they are actually trying to addres the sch synergy issues. Sch/sch issues are real, pet issues are real. I'm not sure that sch needing to be raid healers is an issue.

[fanservice]

Unfortunately, the result is always the same- SCH QQing for abilities identical to a whm, or superior. Direct AE healing with zero emphasis on the pet... plus all the other goodies scholars get.

I'll say this for the... 3rd or 4th time in this thread I think.

OP's suggestion for a 600 potency AOE heal is delusional.

I'll also say again SCHs don't need to AOE heal at WHM strength; they shouldn't be as bad as they are at AOE healing now though. A middle ground if you want to think of it that way.

Along with pet control making sense, if there were a benefit to casting succor while the shield is still up on multiple still injured people, that's a step in the right direction.

Just throwing out some ideas here, let's say SCHs got

-a 250ish potency medica.
-succor left as is.
-whispering dawn on a lower cooldown. 30-40 seconds maybe. (mind you this is 100 potency from the fairy, not the SCH. Much like embrace, it's weaker than you think)
-as well as the usual pet UI demands.

WHMs would still be stronger AOE healers with higher mind from traits, still higher potency on AOE heals and regen, along with the AOE regen not being on a recast timer. SCHs would still have their own non-gamebreaking perks such as slightly stronger tank healing, and I wouldn't complain.


As for the subject of SCHs stepping on each other's toes, it feels like a 'working as intended' moment. What they should fix is DF and 8 mans. Make WHM and SCH entirely different slots. Rather than just "healer 2/2", it could be "SCH 1/1", and "WHM 1/1".

I don't have a SCH at high level so I don't know how much of an issue it is, but I do have to say it's rather amusing to see people argue that "WHM needs a BRD to sustain mana" is fine but "SCH needs WHM to help AoE heal" is completely unacceptable. In both cases it's dependency on another class, but one is completely unacceptable and another is not. o.O

MP is something to manage.

In the event you need more, the bard is a failsafe.

As I've said before, WHMs can function without needing a mariachi band all fight long.

[Celsius]

I'm glad you see where i'm coming from i wouldnt mind some kind of cost for having it eriane. and in coil i presheild incoming damage and let the WHm pre-cast medica 2 and then medica for the straight burst healing. its just sad too since virus/eye are cross class so even WHM's have those. SOil is incredibly situational as some fights you simply cannot have your party inside of it. like you said god forbid that, i mean ill throw out a pre-succor and hope to god the WHM can keep the raid up. i just.. wish i could do more you know? i dont wanna blow the WHM away or be on par with them.. i just wanna help. its not like the WHM is horribad at Tank healing like we are at AE healing ><

Really fanservice, thats all i'm aksing for. i want WHM's Niche to be AOE healing and i dont wanna take that form them. im glad you actually see where im coming from.