OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

[Valtear]

You read the skill wrong its a 10% reduction not 90%
SCH is a great class but they need some work. Their heals do NOT need buffing they are not a pet wielding white mage. What they need is traits. as a scholar we miss out on 4. 3 X enhanced Intelligence and one very big one "enhanced pet actions" that only grants you a spell speed buff when your pet crits off of a damaging move... which means it does NOTHING for Scholars. I propse we get enhanced crit instead benefiting summoners and scholars and 'enhanced pet actions' trait is edited to effect healing crits.

Sorry :P my mistake but even still we can mitigate a good chunk of damage. I just don't like how everybody is complaining so much, scholar is not a bad job it just needs changed a touch

[fanservice]

and one very big one "enhanced pet actions" that only grants you a spell speed buff when your pet crits off of a damaging move... which means it does NOTHING for Scholars. I propse we get enhanced crit instead benefiting summoners and scholars and 'enhanced pet actions' trait is edited to effect healing crits.

It does work off of fairy healing crit, but this will trigger about 3 times at most during the course of... oh say an AK run as a healer.

[fanservice]

And scholars would be op if they could heal for what whm's do with aoes.

SCHs don't need to AOE heal at WHM strength. They just need to not be total ass at it.

Their mana sustain is retarded good

You should have a bard in an 8 man, so I can't call this an advantage.

they have stoneskins on their heals

Adloquium (300/300 potency non-crit), and succor (150/150) are almost the same in strength to cure ii (650), and medica (300), just in a different form. Not exactly an advantage outside of pre-shielding.

I double posted by accident -_-

[ApolloGenX]

You should have a bard in an 8 man, so I can't call this an advantage.

Okay, so SCH doesn't require another player (a dps player) to be present and sacrifice a chunk of damage to function decently. You are trvilalizing not only dependence on another player for the class to work, but also that player to willingly underperform at his/her primary role in order to allow another class to perform decently.

Nice whitewash job on that one.

Having a whm present to heal encounters is somehow awful to you- but you just gloss over whms having to go outside role to a dps class to rely on to heal. Interesting.

Really.. 2 Whms healing is three players then.. the 2 WHMs and a bard with nerfed dps. Well, no wonder the healing is higher.

Maybe there is a way that they could require you to rely on blms for more healing, while reducing blm damage. Like maybe blms have to stop casting on the mob and cast on your pet to boost its heals. Would you like that?

[fanservice]

Okay, so SCH doesn't require another player (a dps player) to be present and sacrifice a chunk of damage to function decently. You are trvilalizing not only dependence on another player for the class to work, but also that player to willingly underperform at his/her primary role in order to allow another class to perform decently.

WHMs don't need a bard to function decently. You're assuming that WHMs aren't functional without one, which is wrong. Nor do their MP bars empty as fast as you're implying.

Having a whm present to heal encounters is somehow awful to you-

Where the hell did I say this...?

but you just gloss over whms having to go outside role to a dps class to rely on to heal. Interesting.

See my first point, unless I'm mistaken, and cure is magically greyed out without the presence of a bard, and medica costs as much to cast as a BLM's flare.

[ApolloGenX]

WHMs don't need a bard to function decently. You're assuming that WHMs aren't functional without one, which is wrong. Nor do their MP bars empty as fast as you're implying.



Where the hell did I say this...?



See my first point, unless I'm mistaken, and cure is magically greyed out without the presence of a bard, and medica costs as much to cast as a BLM's flare.

..and yet your response to the mp limitation has consistantly been as you were quoted above - "8 mans always have bards".

The "amazing" healing scenarios of massive regens and medica spamming that you are weaving always seem to rely on the presence of a brd to be even remotely feasible.

If you aren't talking about having a bard to help with mana, then most of the "stories" your telling are just fantasy.

[fanservice]

..and yet your response to the mp limitation has consistantly been as you were quoted above - "8 mans always have bards".

Yeah, because if MP is an issue, there's a bard. Nothing more.

I'm not the one saying WHMs aren't functional without a bard. You are. Don't pretend I'm implying that.

The "amazing" healing scenarios of massive regens and medica spamming that you are weaving always seem to rely on the presence of a brd to be even remotely feasible.

Now you're telling me one medica ii, followed by one or two medicas is all of a WHM's MP?

If you aren't talking about having a bard to help with mana, then most of the "stories" your telling are just fantasy.

Maybe you should look into using shroud of saints, or gear with piety on it...

[Ephany]

..and yet your response to the mp limitation has consistantly been as you were quoted above - "8 mans always have bards".

The "amazing" healing scenarios of massive regens and medica spamming that you are weaving always seem to rely on the presence of a brd to be even remotely feasible.

If you aren't talking about having a bard to help with mana, then most of the "stories" your telling are just fantasy.

This, ladies and gentleman, is a WHM who hasn't touched the SCH class enough to know what he's talking about.

Yes, we can give ourselves some mana back, but it would cost us around 4 times as much mana to use group heals and bring everyone's health up than it would for a WHM, so what difference does it make?
Our MP bar isn't always full and it's just as easy for us to OOM as it is for you guys. Go buy some potions and stop complaining.

[Celsius]

ApolloGen is so... dumb. he clearly has no idea what he is talking about.

Edit: fanservice i dont even know why you keep going on with this guy.

[ApolloGenX]

This, ladies and gentleman, is a WHM who hasn't touched the SCH class enough to know what he's talking about.

Yes, we can give ourselves some mana back, but it would cost us around 4 times as much mana to use group heals and bring everyone's health up than it would for a WHM, so what difference does it make?
Our MP bar isn't always full and it's just as easy for us to OOM as it is for you guys. Go buy some potions and stop complaining.

Well, it's a good thing your style isn't just straight filling bars up, then right?? (And that is 4 times for direct healing, ignoring shields and mana free pet- and without SS reducing damage taken or anything)

Please teach me all about playing a scholar.... like a whm.


^^^ To the above - because he/she wants massive buffs to the class. Why else would she be here constantly comparing whms and SCH in a narrow way so as to always appear to favor whms? I just wish they (SE) would mention pet fixes.