Melee roles are being gimped in this game

[Bartisaur]

then do tell us why ALL the top guys run nearly all ranged classes for progression... thats right because you are wrong.

Read his post again before commenting please. He said ranged PUGS and you talk about top progression guys.

My main is a Dragoon and while I still think he's decent (despite having to work a lot more just to be able to do decent-high damage), I've made a Blackmage for everything else but BC (CM / AK / farming / etc) just because it's a whole lot easier and I don't lose out on DPS. And if even most Blackmage complain about how easy yet effective bards are... that really says a lot.

[Leonas]

BLM has to stand still to cast. SMN kinda sorta has to stand still for half of its arsenal. The only ranged class that doesn't have to stand still is BRD.

I dunno, just seems really easy to be a BRD. Turn a song on for healers every so often and you're golden. You could always give them an overall damage decrease, but give them a passive damage bonus that brings them back up to what they are currently when standing still for longer than 3 - 5 seconds. Call it Focus or Focused Fire or something like that. * Shrug *

[Techro]

The whole reason for this thread is that it shouldn't be fair that a ranged class can out damage a melee while putting a lot less effort into it. Melee dps rotations are a lot more complicated to execute than ranged ones, and yet still... you end up with less overall dps and damage dealt.

Ok i understand that. The point i'm trying to make is that at the end everyone in the party worked together to achieve a common goal. If you did not know how much dps anyone was doing, this would never be a problem. I also understand the high risk high reward but in this train of thought you are saying that your reward is just the satisfaction that you did more dmg then a mage. Instead your reward should be that you defeated the raid boss no matter how much less/more dmg anyone did. If for some strange reason they decided to award better gear or a "prize" for doing more dps then i would see your point in a different light but as it stands I just want the common goal

[Eckoh]

The whole reason for this thread is that it shouldn't be fair that a ranged class can out damage a melee while putting a lot less effort into it. Melee dps rotations are a lot more complicated to execute than ranged ones, and yet still... you end up with less overall dps and damage dealt.

how is melee "more complicated" when the game tells you what button to hit next... I am sick of that excuse. Melee have far fewer mechanics to heal with then ranged on the bulk of the end game encounters as well.

You obviously haven't spent alot of time as a melee character. I see BRD 50.

Melee have alot of positional requirements, I mean alot. DRG is a little softer as you only need 2 positionals, but you have to land those positionals on DRG or you can't advance realistically to the next ability and get its bonuses.

MNK Has, has to constantly resposition to get maximum damage, alllllllll of MNK's non Off-GCD attacks require a positional or you won't get full damage from the ability not to mention clearing aoes and switching targets can cause GL3 to drop off.

What special mechanic does archer have to go through to reach full damage? Its even handed to them by being able to shoot and move at the same time. NOT trying to bash you, but I don't know why you responded to the person above with mechanics to heal. When people are talking about the difficulty in getting maximum output for damage as melee over ranged.

there are so many things to micro manage correctly for a bard... i played a pug and a goon in betas and they were overly simple because it was simply hit the glowing button and move from side to side. The management of cooldowns as well as managing the mana of healers is for more complex then hitting a glowing button.

[Leonas]

how is melee "more complicated" *snip*

You obviously haven't spent alot of time as a melee character. I see BRD 50.

Melee have alot of positional requirements, I mean alot. DRG is a little softer as you only need 2 positionals, but you have to land those positionals on DRG or you can't advance realistically to the next ability and get its bonuses.

MNK Has, has to constantly resposition to get maximum damage, alllllllll of MNK's non Off-GCD attacks require a positional or you won't get full damage from the ability not to mention clearing aoes and switching targets can cause GL3 to drop off.

What special mechanic does archer have to go through to reach full damage? Its even handed to them by being able to shoot and move at the same time. NOT trying to bash you, but I don't know why you responded to the person above with mechanics to heal. When people are talking about the difficulty in getting maximum output for damage as melee over ranged.

[MalcolmReynolds]

there are so many things to micro manage correctly for a bard... i played a pug and a goon in betas and they were overly simple because it was simply hit the glowing button and move from side to side. The management of cooldowns as well as managing the mana of healers is for more complex then hitting a glowing button.

So you played them to level 30 max? Good to know I can safely dismiss any claims you make about the difficulty of melee at endgame as you have 0 experience with it.

[Leonas]

there are so many things to micro manage correctly for a bard... i played a pug and a goon in betas and they were overly simple because it was simply hit the glowing button and move from side to side. The management of cooldowns as well as managing the mana of healers is for more complex then hitting a glowing button.

You are very, very hung up on talking about hitting a glowing button. Thats like, you're main focus and argument here. Very little argument actually. By that same account I can say you don't even have to worry about glowing buttons since your BRD?

Anyway, I'm not arguing against the fact that you have to look at party panel every so often and check healer mana in order to turn on mp song every great once in a while. I"m not saying you don't have at least some things you need to do as BRD and I agree mp song takes a little bit of effort to monitor.

However, you are refusing to acknowledge anything past " A glowy button. " I mean really?

[Leonas]

So you played them to level 30 max? Good to know I can safely dismiss any claims you make about the difficulty of melee at endgame as you have 0 experience with it.

This, exactly.

[Warlyx]

there are so many things to micro manage correctly for a bard...

2 dots and a 2 procs (bloodletter and straight shot crit)..... because mp song is hardly ever needed , and when is needed , healers will ask for it.

cooldowns is managed by everyclass.

[ilJumperMT]

then do tell us why ALL the top guys run nearly all ranged classes for progression... thats right because you are wrong.

I just did turn 4 with monk (me) and warrior.

is it optimal? Nope

is it possible? Yes

Reasons:
Stacking Mana and DPS Song at once
Warrior is harder to heal then PLD and has no "oh sh.." buttons
No Melee DPS LB Needed
Melee get hit by unavoidable damage which wastes the mana of healers (Example Headspin from Knights and Soldiers)