Sorry SE, but endgame won't work if you don't fix something.

[Shiros]

Just today I started working on Titan for my relic weapon quest. Never before have I had such anger towards a video game. What's the point in having abilities that can be dodged if when you dodge them you still get hit? Every single time I got hit by an AoE, I was out of it for at least 2~3 seconds. This, coupled with my group giving me crap about it and talking about how I'm bad and it's my fault I'm getting hit has almost pushed me to refuse to pay for this game once my free time is up. This has to be addressed, we need more than a "Oh, yeah, we know about it.". This needs a "We're going to fix this issue by x date." type of response. This is ridiculous. There's no fun in a fight that's supposed to be skill based and have it turn out to be 100% luck on if the server wants you to succeed or fail.

[Eccho]

Just today I started working on Titan for my relic weapon quest.

This right here... you started today. stop thinking end game can be beaten in a day. I know Ifrit and garuda lead you all to believe this but it is not the case. We farmed him every night for 8 days until we got it down pat.. Hell I chucked a tanty at one point and /rage quit for a day. It's frustrating and hard and seems impossible but it is doable. I have a relic and 3 titan weapons to prove it. I live in Australia I play on High ping and I dodge everything.. I am not an amazing player. but my group worked together and learned the rotations.

[reality_check]

This right here... you started today. stop thinking end game can be beaten in a day. I know Ifrit and garuda lead you all to believe this but it is not the case. We farmed him every night for 8 days until we got it down pat.. Hell I chucked a tanty at one point and /rage quit for a day. It's frustrating and hard and seems impossible but it is doable. I have a relic and 3 titan weapons to prove it. I live in Australia I play on High ping and I dodge everything.. I am not an amazing player. but my group worked together and learned the rotations.

Yes. You can adapt to the awful netcoding. This is not the point of the thread.

[Unruhe]

Yes. You can adapt to the awful netcoding. This is not the point of the thread.

I was going to quote Eccho's senseless post and try to explain the issue (yet again) and how it doesn't apply to just Titan, but Titan with his myriad quick-cast AOEs is what really draws attention to the issue for a lot of people, but it's just easier to quote Reality Check and say he hit the nail on the head with his succinct reply.

[Shiros]

This right here...

The day someone starts working on something has nothing to do with things not properly working. It took me two~three attempts to understand the fight fully. I know the fight completely. Stop being ignorant to the fact that I'm not complaining about learning the fight or asking for it to be easy. I'm asking for the issue where people avoid aoes and still get hit to be fixed. No amount of knowing a fight will save anyone from that issue. I'm glad you don't have to deal with it but don't try to tell me that it is not the issue.

[Steeled]

I wonder, how they're going to laugh with .3s delay.

Possibly, because everyone is experiencing the delay (not ping, but how frequently the server updates), it might be a level battle field. There will be some actions you can't dodge and others that you can. Of course, circle-strafing will probably become the norm and mages will be uber-mad.

.. Stop being ignorant to the fact that I'm not complaining about learning the fight or asking for it to be easy. I'm asking for the issue where people avoid aoes and still get hit to be fixed.

I'm not calling anyone wow-kiddies, so neither side should take this as that but the problem is that people come from combat, in so many games where the entire fight, once you know it, is darn-near macroable. People see that they need to memorize Titan and challenge accepted, they do! Others realize what this combat is supposed to be and what the red zones and other dangerous looking zones are supposed to mean (IE, if you're not in them, you're safe), and are rightfully upset that we're supposed to go back to the same old scripted fights.

[reality_check]

Of course, circle-strafing will probably become the norm and mages will be uber-mad.

This is not WoW. There will be no circle strafing in PVP. Your character will *always* turn automatically to face the character even if they're behind you.

Possibly, because everyone is experiencing the delay (not ping, but how frequently the server updates), it might be a level battle field. There will be some actions you can't dodge and others that you can.

Anyone who has pvp'd for more than a few minutes in any other mmorpg before knows that this lag will be a severe impediment to any class that relies on an interrupt.

[Steeled]

This is not WoW. There will be no circle strafing in PVP. Your character will *always* turn automatically to face the character even if they're behind you.

You don't turn to face them to move while you're casting. I mean, of course you face them when you cast, but if they run around to your back, you don't turn to them, do you?

Anyone who has pvp'd for more than a few minutes in any other mmorpg before knows that this lag will be a severe impediment to any class that relies on an interrupt.

We're not talking about ping, we're talking about how frequently the server updates your positioning, and if both people are experiencing that, it might cancel each other out.

[olober]

We're not talking about ping, we're talking about how frequently the server updates your positioning, and if both people are experiencing that, it might cancel each other out.

Unfortunately, not all people live near servers.

[Unruhe]

You don't turn to face them to move while you're casting. I mean, of course you face them when you cast, but if they run around to your back, you don't turn to them, do you?

No, you don't. In fact, at least with certain control setups, you can't turn AT ALL while casting. This makes casting with poor positioning checks exceptionally awful. If you aren't properly squared to your target (or if your target moves even slightly too far to the left or right of center) then the spell will fail. And that's assuming you were firmly planted -- if you run, stop, and immediately cast there's an odds-on chance that the cast will "interrupt" a half-second in because the last time the server bothered to check where you were, you were in a different position, so it thinks you're still moving and cancels the cast.