Yoshi P talks about Warriors- from Producer Letter Live @ TGS

[Pinch]

They really just need to give warriors +25% healing (either by adding a 10-15% base% heals on defiance and leaving wrath the same or moving it all(+25%) to defiance so we can at least start at the same point as paladins (as far as survivability from tank stance).

I think 10% passive in addition to Wrath would be fair.

Foresight and Bloodbath could use buffs too. Foresight should give bonus Magic Defense as well, and it should go up to 30% traited. Bloodbath should be a high impact cooldown rather than a weak and long one. What if it was 100% life steal for 8 seconds?

[hola]

Just like to point out that having our self heals scale based on Max HP would scale better.

to change our selfheal based on Max hp definitely scales better than on dmg potency.

i just got my af2 chest, my hp jumped up around 250 while my dmg didnt seem to change much.

[The_Brute]

What if Wrath gave us a bit more +defense? Move the bonus healing to a passive of Defiance and make Wrath provide X% more defense per stack? Say 1 - 2% per stack (5 - 10% total), that would give warriors the bonus healing to accommodate the larger health pools and do a bit to make us a little sturdier without taking away the flavor of the class or homogenizing us with Paladins. Not sure if this idea has been brought up before or not.

[Derza]

It's not the same.

It is the same in the fact that we will not scale with incoming damage, making paladins always better at harder content. Unless SE makes it so the HP increase a tank can get is linear to the amount of damage bosses do(and this is pretty much impossible unless they make all boss content exactly the same) we will never be balanced with paladins. The fundamental flaw with warrior is how our mitigation is 100% warrior based(ok maybe not 100% due to wrath stacks giving up to 15% healing - but close enough to make no difference) where as paladins mitigation is 100% incoming damage based(20% reduction in damage from stance + all CD's are % based damage reduction).

Oh and stacking str adds to your parry % damage redcution so that also helps... i know its very very little but its something - This is also something that should be considered... maybe adding a 2x or even 3x parry chance modifier on defiance (or even just a passive trait)- this would even out the advantage paladins have with shields + parry chance. I think this would work well with the idea of self healing being based on damage output - so adding to damage output would also add to mitigation (in a way that might be noticeable vs what it is now where we have maybe a 10% parry chance and when you parry you take 23-25% less damage whichs ends up being ~2% physical damage reduction)

[hola]

lets check DK's deathstrike again

Focuses dark power into a strike that deals 185% weapon damage plus 499 to an enemy and heals you for 20% of the damage you have sustained from non-player sources during the preceding 5 sec (minimum of at least 7% of your maximum health). This attack cannot be parried.

[hola]

What if Wrath gave us a bit more +defense? Move the bonus healing to a passive of Defiance and make Wrath provide X% more defense per stack? Say 1 - 2% per stack (5 - 10% total), that would give warriors the bonus healing to accommodate the larger health pools and do a bit to make us a little sturdier without taking away the flavor of the class or homogenizing us with Paladins. Not sure if this idea has been brought up before or not.

sorry defense dont scale much at all.
ilv90 gloves give 113defense and ilv70 heavy darklight gloves give 109defense, whooping increased only by 4 (3%)with 20 itemlevel difference.

[Dhex]

Cyndi Lauper:
When the gearing is done
WARs - they want to tank
Oh WARs just want to tank,
They want to tank,
They want to tank...

That's all they really want~!


Rockwell:
I always feel like somebody's watchin me
When I tank it's so pricey
I always feel like somebody's watchin me
Who just cast cure on me!?


Carly Rae:
Hey I just met you,
And this is crazy,
But I'm a WAR,
So let me tank it maybe?

Mungo Jerry:
In the binding coil when the damage is high
You can stretch wrath out and touch bloodbath
When the healer's fine
You got tanking, you got tanking on your mind
Have a slip, take a dive
Go out and see why Paladin's got healers on their side

Queen:
I'm having such a good time!
Hitting them all!
Don't stop me now!
If you wanna lose hate,
Just give me a call!

-

How do you think I'm gonna get along without you when you're gone?
You cured me for everything you had, and kicked me out on my own!

Are you happy? Are you satisfied? How long did you think I could stand the heat?
Out of the corner Ifrit rips, to the sound of the beat!

Ah take it!

Another tank bites the dust.

And another one gone, and another one gone, and another one gone

Another one bites the dust!

Hey! Gonna get you you too! WHM bites the dust!



@Yoshi P

Diana Ross:
Stop! In the name of WAR
Before you break my class
Stop! In the name of WAR
Before you break my class
Think it over
Think it over

[Warlyx]

lets check DK's deathstrike again

dont forget the "stoneskin" effect that deathstrike grants to DK (50% of healed by Deathstrike ,based on mastery stat)

[Kaalan]

What if it was 100% life steal for 8 seconds?

It should be at least 100% and permanent.

[hola]

dont forget the "stoneskin" effect that deathstrike grants to DK (50% of healed by Deathstrike ,based on mastery stat)

ah yes
..

Each time you heal yourself with Death Strike while in Blood Presence, you gain 50% of the amount healed as a Physical damage absorption shield.