Is this bannable? I got reported for...

[Gilraen]

Honestly... to come on here and say that and wonder if it's bannable... Seems people either don't understand, or don't want to understand, just what they agreed to with the T.O.S. For those of the current generation the tl;dr of it is: You don't own the character, you just play it. You don't own the game, you just use it. You have no rights, only privileges. Privileges that can be revoked at a moment's notice without any regard to your feelings on the matter. Should you be suspended or banned, the burden of proof is not on them but you. This is the same for every game everywhere.

The 20-30 pages of the T.O.S. just expands on the afore mentioned and gives venues on how you can satisfy the burden of proof should you ever have to. But, honestly, if you play any game as if it wasn't yours to begin with, then there shouldn't be any problems. Ever.

[AsakuraVN]

I do hope for all of us that GM's possess greater means of detecting your legitimacy beyond such things as tells.

Actually in other MMOs, once GMs start their investigation, they can detect which programs are being used on your pc while running the game, & check the consistency of the delay between inputs to see if they're automated or manually used by players. But it's still hard to determine if it's 3rd pt botting or not. Some games like Aion even allow looping ingame macro & target enemies by name.

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The same reason why you want to get to lv50 of a crafting class without having to manually craft every single material, but use quick synthesis instead.

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[Noata]

you should probably go back and keep thinking, there is nothing "auto" about it, OP was manually hitting the macro.



in a this-is-not-a-bot sense, maybe.



Much like there is usually no need to address whether the Sun is a star, there is no need to address whether hitting buttons with your hands is a bot or not.

Considering the OP directly asks if he could get banned for it, and that others thought he was a bot, I would say the consensus of is it botting or not would be the determination of ban or no ban... so I imagine its the most relevant part. as people do not get banned just for playing the game.... so if considering the sun a star for the purpose of arguing stars, I would say its pretty relevant... I personally think he should not get banned but told probably not to do that, as its not a players fault if you act like a bot and they report you for it

[Aenarion]

Considering the OP directly asks if he could get banned for it, and that others thought he was a bot

only because the OP made it sound like he was using 3rd pty programs, and did not clarify that he was using in-game macros until later.

[Noata]

Spamming change targets(macro for controller) and attack while watching tv, people thought I was botting, I come back to my screen(changed display output from PC to set top box) and I have trade requests and angry tells.

See, Lemme bring it to this page so you can read it. He wants to know if he can get banned, He had a macro on a controller and was watching TV, didnt see people Whisper him, and then they tested with a trade request. He was then reported for being a bot. the question is, Will I get Banned If a player has reported me as a bot.... He was doing activity like a bot, but it was an ingame macro he just was not "paying attention" to his screen which was on a different monitor output. We are not GM's so the best we can do is think and tell him can he get banned for this or not... and if the GM has no clue that he was hitting a macro... then yes he can.

[Aenarion]

We are not GM's so the best we can do is think and tell him can he get banned for this or not

It's not complicated, if he.was using 3rd party program, yes; if not, then no.

and if the GM has no clue that he was hitting a macro... then yes he can.

If GMs can't figure something as basic as that out, whether OP gets banned would be the least of our worries.

[Zantetsuken]

The same reason why you want to get to lv50 of a crafting class without having to manually craft every single material, but use quick synthesis instead.

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Really? Quick Synth is insanely slow for leveling.

I only use it for getting rid of stuff that's loading up my inventory.

[Noata]

It's not complicated, if he.was using 3rd party program, yes; if not, then no.



If GMs can't figure something as basic as that out, whether OP gets banned would be the least of our worries.

I understand your on some personal vendetta to Quote me and try to formulate some sort of response. but you just posted one of the most ignorant responses I have seen. If GM's could detect if it was you or a third party program hitting that macro we wouldn't have bots. I agree its not complicated It is very simple. Unless there is reason to believe that the player was not a bot while exhibiting all the symptoms of a bot.... then anyone would judge it a bot. GM's can likely look up statistics like, what you were doing, but not how it was input, A GM would not know my key binds or if a third party program was injecting input. This player seriously is in a spot where they could be banned. That is like telling someone who got framed for a crime, don't worry if you didn't do it, everything will be ok. that is not how the system works.

[rabbitzero]

Here is another possible scenario. OP actually was botting, comes to the forum to try and deflect that fact because he got caught when he didn't think he would be. Not saying it's what actually happened, but a possibility as we only have his word he was only using macros and not botting.

If what you are doing can appear as botting, don't do it. Playing the game with the screen basically off? Yeah, i'd call that bad. You would also prompt them to change the way macros work, to prevent unattended play.

[Aenarion]

I understand your on some personal vendetta to Quote me and try to formulate some sort of response.

It's not my fault you keep making terrible posts in the active threads.

If GM's could detect if it was you or a third party program hitting that macro we wouldn't have bots.

Yes, GMs have no tools to investigate things with Devs/GMs don't actually have magic, it still takes a human to use said tools and time to properly investigate and ban bots. This may come as a surprise to you, but companies tend to want to avoid unnecessarily banning their customers.

Maybe the only MMOs you've played were filled with GMs with zero capabilities, but I highly doubt SE is one of them.

Hell, CCP is a much smaller company than SE, and the GMs in Eve can detect bots just fine - yes, even injections and scripts that you apparently think is undetectable.

And no, GM in Eve don't use convo as a tool to investigate bots, they'd spend all day talking to themselves and not get anything done.