Quote Originally Posted by SwordCoheir View Post
Sounds like your twisting situations into PLD's favor by comparing a WAR tanking to a PLD DDing
No, I'm talking about both classes using the tools at their disposal. Fight or Flight is way better than Berserk and PLD gets a *crapton* of damage out of Circle of Scorn and Spirits Within. I've done the math *numerous* times and there's not one whit of evidence that WAR does more damage than a PLD. Whenever I do the math for a PLD in Sword Oath, I compare to a WAR outside of Defiance and, whenever I do the math for a PLD in Shield Oath, I compare to WAR in Defiance.

Just because what I'm saying doesn't agree with what you want to believe doesn't mean that I'm making amateurish mistakes that any idiot could find. The math that's been done has been independently confirmed by other people. The math has been done *several* times and is right there for anyone to see. The only people saying that WAR does more damage than PLD are those people that haven't actually looked at the damage that the two deal and just go off of gut reactions ("2h axe does more damage than 1h sword!" "Maim is huge advantage!"; neither of those is true).