What is marauder's role?

[Peregrine]

Edit: It won't be me who will start flaming about all these nonsense posts of the OP (almost did tho ><).

I'll just ignore her posts like Vanguard319 suggested...and hope soon this forum start having an warning system so mods can start removing those that are unable of having a healthy discussion from the forum.

Class balance is an interesting social experiment. The powerful posture and threaten when their power is questioned, which is understandable. But the weak...well they don't even want help out of a sense of misguided pride and inappropriate self-image.

Then again, developers already know that you don't enhance a job based on what that job says about itself--it will always overestimate its worth no matter how noncompetitive it is. You enhance it based on how others treat the job. You don't nerf a job based on what that job says about itself--it'll say anything to keep its status. You nerf it based on how others treat the job.

The only thing I consider marauder useful for is the only thing I consider lancer and pugilist useful for: Battle regimen participation. Everything else, is just a lame excuse as to why you can't put up the same numbers an archer can, and somehow that's acceptable.

Marauder is not an AoE specialist, because mages and archers beat them thoroughly at it. Marauder is not an enmity-generator, because the abilities are poorly designed and don't generate enough enmity to matter. Nevermind that it's stupid to generate enmity at all on a marauder, because they're a gimp tank to begin with. A gimp marauder equips intimidation. A good marauder equips...out of sight. Darn. That kindof makes all of their abilities...the opposite of useful.

Marauder's only viable role is to damage. It is gimp at everything else its pitched to be for. A job whose job it is to damage, not tank, with a bunch of enmity-generating crap abilities...just doesn't make any sense.

The big-ass weapon class was stupidly designed. Shame, really. It's a darn good gladiator subjob though.

[Filtiarne]

So you ask us marauders what its role is, then proceed to flame and instantly reject every single point that was made besides your own. Can you just delete this thread since you already seem to know everything there is to know about Marauder? I mean, as a rank 25 CON I'm only 10 levels away from knowing every single aspect of that class, so maybe I should start flaming your forums too? After all CON is useless next to THM, all I do is look aT A CON and think, I wish that was a THM. If you are here to just troll and berate marauder, STOP PLAYING IT. get out of the MARAUDER forums. stop asking useless questions you have no intention of actually LISTENING to the answers given. Find a better group of marauder friends or maybe actually learn how the game works. Absolutely EVERYTHING you have said has NO PROOF provided for your claims, while you still insist that what you are saying holds true, when I can tell you as an ACTUAL marauder, you are false in every aspect of your straw man arguments and pathetic attempts to keep your flawed logic afloat. You are a TROLL and I will no longer participate in one of the most utterly baseless and frankly useless threads I have seen in all of my years. No response is needed from you, I will simply ignore it, as you have ignored EVERY SINGLE ANSWER YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN. My answer will always remain the same.

STAY AWAY FROM PEREGRINE FALCON, POSSESSIONAL TROLL AND STRAW MAN THEORIST
NO PROOF WILL BE GIVEN, NO ATTENTION WILL BE PAYED, AVOID AT ALL COSTS.

[Peregrine]

So you ask us marauders what its role is, then proceed to flame and instantly reject every single point that was made besides your own.

I already knew the answer, having watched the job and now played it, already having heard the marauder pitch line. "We're crowd control!" No. Stop. I'm a marauder and that's the dumbest claim I've heard from a MMO job to date. I don't know what job you are playing, but as a marauder no you're not and as a conjurer...LMAO no you're not. It has no role. It instantly shoots itself in the foot the second it attempts any hint of a role indicated in its abilities list.

My MRD inches up almost a level a day. There is quite literally nothing from level 40 on that changes marauder in any way. And yet it will go to 50. Why? Because I like what it should be, which is something YOU are keeping it from being. You think marauder is good enough. It's not. So says a Conjurer main. Now why would that be?

I would rather point out marauder's deficiencies now, before I'm forced to leave it in town in the fall. I HATE job imbalance. Hate.

Sadly, I am more familiar with marauder than you are. In fact, it will be not playing marauder that will ironically let me know more about your job than you'll know until you level something else. Not the other way around. You have no frame of refernce. You have no true experience in any other job.

I do. Marauder needs some help here. Right behind that shield skill in my profile: Archer.

God save Marauder.

[Filtiarne]

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I honestly can't say anymore. There is no point arguing when I've DONE everything you seem to think a Mrd CAN'T do.

If you even had the presence of mind to actually read your own thread as other forum goers have, you will see that several comments OTHER people have made, have been agreed with and received a few well deserved thumbs up. Yours however, have zero, not a single like for anything you have said. You mean to call me AND the other 611+ users that chose to read your thread incompetent?

But I will reiterate to the other forum users, if that point doesn't make it clear enough.

STAY AWAY FROM PEREGRINE FALCON, POSSESSIONAL TROLL AND STRAW MAN THEORIST
NO PROOF WILL BE GIVEN, NO ATTENTION WILL BE PAYED, AVOID AT ALL COSTS.

[Arcell]

MRD doesn't have the godly dmg mitigation shield moves that GLD does

MRD doesn't have godly evasion like PGL does

But MRD does have Parry which is pretty much the same as evade, you take 0 damage when you parry.

And Peregrine, yes classes do need more balance and refinement but we know that's coming. As it stands now though Marauders CAN tank, they CAN crowd control and they CAN deal damage. Not optimally but they can and with decent success. Should it have a more refined role? Of course, but that doesn't mean it can't do anything as it stands now.

The whole enmity generation argument has nothing to do with Marauder specifically though, we all know the enmity calculations don't work at all like they're supposed to and they are also on the list of shit to fix.

[Rentahamster]

But MRD does have Parry which is pretty much the same as evade, you take 0 damage when you parry.

The overwhelming majority of the time, you only do partial parries, which just mitigates some of the damage. Usually the only time you get a zero damage full parry is when you use Foresight.

PGL get 0 dmg on normal evades, and 0 dmg with Featherfoot evades both. There are no partial evades.

[Arcell]

Fair enough, they've got kind of a mix between both. Partial damage like guard, 0 damage like evade.

Though a fun thing for Pugilists, an enemy "Miss" is not counted as an Evade. They are distinctly different, though they take damage from neither.

[Grundy]

You only take 0 damage when you have Foresight activated. You watch for the 0 damage comment in that battle log so you know to pop Fracture.

[Lienn]

You can have full parry without foresight...but this is extremely rare...i never saw this happen unless fighting much lower ranked monsters. Comparing parry with evasion, the thing is that steadfast is way stronger than light strike effect. I can easily do 5+ parries in a row with only 82 DEX. Since parry often halves the damage taken, depending of your DEX it can be compared to shield since shield has a nearly 100% block rate but only during active windows.

Also, you can Fracture at partial parries too. I just keep track of mob's "default damage"...if some halved number pops i always give fracture a try ^^ They should add a "Parry" and "Block" messages just like we have miss and evade...would make things much easier to identify.

[Rentahamster]

They should add a "Parry" and "Block" messages just like we have miss and evade...would make things much easier to identify.

That would be nice to see "Parry" pop up above your head. Sometimes the game lags, and the parry animation doesn't even trigger, so I have to keep an eye on the chat log.

I wish I could use the chat color filter to make it so that the "parry" and "evade" text in the chatlog appear in BOLD HOT PINK CAPITAL LETTERS.