OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

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Really? Really? My AOE "Succor" heals for a whopping 161 and the lowest hp in the group is 1600 (level 42). This is total crap. It needs to have no shield and have a potency of 600 like WHM or give out fairy another AOE spell.

I cant help but lul at this. Why do so many of you cry over trivial matters?

"Succor" is not meant to be a MAIN HEAL. WHM are AoE healers....thus, their AoE heals hit harder. You as a SCH are a single-target burst healer. Are WHM are little unbalanced right now? Sure, why not. Does that mean SCH are bad healers? Only if you don't understand your class. Heck, I use my AoE heal in dungeons maybe 3 times? If DPS are pulling, either your Tank is terrible or your DPS are not attacking the correct target. #learntomarktargets.

[sharazisspecial]

"Succor" is not meant to be a MAIN HEAL

If three or more targets take more then 150 potency of damage then succor is worth it potency wise.

dungeons

Who cares? you could heal dungeons naked. Se need to balance around endgame . Titan hm, coil and incoming crystal tower.

I really want to see 2 sch try and heal turn 4 enrage with a normal geared party. Because 2 whm can, easily .

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"Succor" is not meant to be a MAIN HEAL. WHM are AoE healers....thus, their AoE heals hit harder. You as a SCH are a single-target burst healer. Are WHM are little unbalanced right now? Sure, why not. Does that mean SCH are bad healers? Only if you don't understand your class. Heck, I use my AoE heal in dungeons maybe 3 times? If DPS are pulling, either your Tank is terrible or your DPS are not attacking the correct target. #learntomarktargets.

^^^This^^

We are tank heals for raid purposes. I see Succor as more of a support skill, you can precast it to apply a shield to buffer burst damage on the DPS/Raid. We are fine for all of the dungeon content now. I can heal AK in my sleep. But at endgame we are going to be tank heals only and WMG are really good at AoE heals, we work together very well as I can shield stuff to buffer damage to make the WHM more effective. I really enjoy this style of play, many maybe dont and they should roll WMG.

[NarikoStar]

If three or more targets take more then 150 potency of damage then succor is worth it potency wise.



Who cares? you could heal dungeons naked. Se need to balance around endgame . Titan hm, coil and incoming crystal tower.

I really want to see 2 sch try and heal turn 4 enrage with a normal geared party. Because 2 whm can, easily .

http://www.twitch.tv/lleuca/c/2927614

Mind you, this is a NON-LEGACY server, there gear at best is Darklight, with 1 mythology piece + whatever allagan drops they received on the previous floors. I wont deny I feel WHM/SCH is the best combo for turn 4 followed by x2 WHM if you can't get the SCH, but it is indeed possible to heal through enrage with x2 SCH and in what I would actually called a under geared party compared to the majority of those who have cleared turn 4 up to this point.

[ApolloGenX]

^^^This^^

But at endgame we are going to be tank heals only and WMG are really good at AoE heals, we work together very well as I can shield stuff to buffer damage to make the WHM more effective. I really enjoy this style of play, many maybe dont and they should roll WMG.

I don't think it is fair to say that with large raids, 3 out of 4 healers should default to whm, with one SCH tank healer. That is, unless tank healing will require 2 healers. My prior suggestion for a skill called "overpower" would help reduce the penalty for taking 3 scholars and 1 whm, if that is what you had available. It would take more coordination, but would be more workable.

While I don't feel the SCH class is UP... the pets are broken, and I do feel like the conflicting shield mechanics are poorly designed to accomodate multiple SCHs. I think those can be addressed without bblanket buffs, though.

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I don't think it is fair to say that with large raids, 3 out of 4 healers should default to whm, with one SCH tank healer. That is, unless tank healing will require 2 healers. My prior suggestion for a skill called "overpower" would help reduce the penalty for taking 3 scholars and 1 whm, if that is what you had available. It would take more coordination, but would be more workable.

While I don't feel the SCH class is UP... the pets are broken, and I do feel like the conflicting shield mechanics are poorly designed to accomodate multiple SCHs. I think those can be addressed without bblanket buffs, though.

I agree there is never a reason to take more than 1 SCH. The pet is broken but the AI is ok, and the shield mechanic is completely not effective with 2+ SCH. I like the idea of the shields stacking, but this overpower ability would not work. The fairy is far to valuable to destroy, the re-summon cast is far to long and you need to save swiftcast for battle res.

[Eccho]

The SCH was designed to heal alongside a WHM. You will not be able to 2 SCH heal Titan or any fight in bahamuts Coil. Succor is perfectly balanced stop looking at it as a way to restore everyones HP Back to full. The most beneficial way a SCH can heal is with a crit build. Crit a succor and your team will not be taking dmg for quite some time. succor pluse sacred soil gives you your faerie and your fellow WHM plenty of time to heal everyone through.
at 50 with decent gear my succor heals for roughly 350. that includes a 350 bubble. You are giving your team 350 extra health. Medica two can never increase the amount of hp your team has. lets look at garudas Aoe as she breaks the rocks. at my level Succor plus Sacred Soil my team takes less than 300 Damage. Titan stomps - succor over and over doesn't raise everyone's hp but it stops the next stomp hitting so hard.

[Nukocafe]

While I see the complaints about it (I'm a scholar) we have 2 advantages over White Mage:
1) We can get MP back really really fast.
2) While we are getting our MP back for more AOE heals, the fairy can continue spamming her heals on everyone without any MP cost.

For white mages, they do their AOE heal, yes it does a great healing BUT now they're short on MP so they really have to time their healing correctly. If you are the kind who likes to spam heals any time any place, then its good that the AOE heal is low or else scholars would be ridiculously overpowered. If they had the same heal potency as white mage along with all the MP regeneration/MP saving options, who would even play a white mage? Personally I'm a heal spammer and I like for it to be available at any time so I prefer scholar but for those who want to give a big heal every once in a while then you should probably play a white mage.

[ApolloGenX]

I like the idea of the shields stacking, but this overpower ability would not work. The fairy is far to valuable to destroy, the re-summon cast is far to long and you need to save swiftcast for battle res.

Well, that's just it- if the fairy really is that valuable, then people need to stop discounting it in the conversation. To get big heals like a whm, you have to sacrifice. Whms don't have pets. That means the tradeoff is relevant. You can get that big burst heal, but you will need to give something up -temporarily- in return. If the pet is too precious to give up for that big heal... then you must not really *need* that heal.

Quickcast is a pretty low CD... not using the big heal to save for the QC rezz is questionable. Other healers can handle the rezz also, it wouldn't be something you would necessarily need to be doing constantly, so having the QC down once in a while shouldn't be catastrophic.

It's all about tradeoffs... and what you are willing to give up for what you want. You can't just get something for nothing, you know.

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It's all about tradeoffs... and what you are willing to give up for what you want. You can't just get something for nothing, you know.

What does a WHM give up to be able to cast an AoE heal that has a lower mana cost than a SCH and heals for twice as much and is spammable because there is no shield associated with it. Succor is good for one cast that is it until the shied falls off. The fairy has an AoE hot on a very long CD. It's single target is where it excels. There is no circumstance that it is even ok to take 2 SCH. That is why i suggest that the shields stack up to a certain point. Unless SE only wanted there to be 1 SCH in a group? SE did say that a WHM would be more versatile, so maybe that is the case. I dont have a problem with the SCH at all being a tank healer and an AoE support at the same time. I am fine with the SCH as is. I was just pointing out that a simple change would be to stack shields up to maybe 4 stacks making it useful to have more than 1 SCH in the group, the only problem with stacking shield as that Adloquin does hit pretty hard and put a relatively large shield on the tank if that could stack with another SCH that tank would never take damage so I guess it would have to be for succor only..